Dan Larimer 2.0 (Graphene Magazine #3) - Defining subjective qualities is what STEEM was made for - "Only public blockchains can secure private property" – This week’s Steemy and 1000 Brownies goes to: piedpiper
@quantumanomaly as a dj yourself, I'm interested in your thoughts on this subject given both our positions on being paid on property we do not own.
Analogy Time:
Say a man makes a chair 50 years ago and sells it. Or he made the chair last year and I bought it at a yard sale.
(Either way, in this situation I am going to assume that samples were purchased at some point. As an artist, I do not support piracy of music especially.)
Then, I buy the chair. I take the chair and I cut it into pieces and glue it back together or, more likely, mod podge the hell out of it, and that would be a "Jessamyn Orchard Original" to me.
Would I need to note the original maker of the chair even though it might be indistinguishable from the original--or maybe all I did was paint some original art on the seat of the chair--I've created something different than that product that I own. However, would your product be able to exist without the original?
The question is--how far can you go before the original maker of the chair comes at you with a chair? In this case the maker of the chair could be artist lawyers and the chair coming at you could be a big fat lawsuit depending on how much actual money the person generated from the particular track.
I'm not sure. Wild West Gray areas.
Are there not laws protecting DJs at this point? I feel like clubs wouldn't be able to pay a DJ to do a set at most places if samples weren't protected.
If you are manipulating it, as long as you give credit to the original artist of the sample that you purchased, I don't see an ethical issue with it. However, I hope there is a discussion that follows.
I also think there may be a limit of time the sample can be before it isn't legally a sample...not sure on that one.
Ahh, thanks for taking the bait. Someone in the classroom is paying attention. You can be my teacher's pet.
Here's an upvote (Pro Tip:Talk to steemjesus, and he does more than merely talk back).
I become the artists I sample. The reason why I have been successfully able to impersonate Dan in his own home is because I know Dan's mind intimately only because we have had many of the exact same thoughts. But we still need to teach many more people if we want to see the effect of our inventions. The last time he was in my dream was last week. I am not kidding. I hugged the man. I spoke to Jimi Hendrix in a dream back when I was mastering the guitar.
However, the sampler, is the most difficult instrument simply because it has the most harmonic range of any single instrument (of course because it encompasses all instrumental ranges simultaneously)(and that's what makes it difficult is that there are many buttons and knobs that you need to know what they do before you ever press them)(you can play drums in your head, guitar too, but can you play the entire orchestra in your head like Motzart?). I play more instruments than Prince, but I'm still just in teaching mode because there is no audience here right now. I have not yet begun to show you what is possible, but first we need to teach people how to use Steemit so we can grow an audience.
Dan is a virtuoso, and his instrument is Graphene. I crash Ableton so bad, I need a quantum computer. Multiple humans synced together can never solo, and therefore, can never be as free as one unique me.
When your art pallet has pieces from a Jessamyn Orchard Original, then I'm sure that your performance is different from that while using a Poang from IKEA (pound for pound the cheapest comfort you will ever find):
Artistic integrity is dependent upon the qualities of the ingredients. It's more than obvious what materials you used because they are integral. But do you have to name your furniture remix, the Jessamyn2.O? I'll change the name of this week's jam to "Beat Me to the Pump Mary" so that everyone can be happy.
Should we sharedrop STEEM on bitcoin just because we are using their blockchain private key concept. Can you patent science? Can you patent a chord progression? Can you patent the blockchain? This is the reason for this discussion.
Patenting blockchain backups? What's next? Patenting "Taking a shit?!"
These guys are no better than the lenders who force payback while holding the free market captive!
Copyright/patent people earn money in classic rent seeking fashion no matter how you look at it. But they need to eat too? So what, I don't tell you how to survive. It's like being a cop. Nobody hates to bust kids for worshiping nature, but, hey, someone has to do it right? Or maybe the Nazi who pulled the trigger does now feel remorse... But probably not as much as he feels guilt though!
If you have time to bitch about someone using your art, then it's a mathematical fact my friend, that you are in the top 1% of the richest humans who have ever walked the face of the earth (because you are surviving in a new way that never existed back in the day)(no there were not too many bankers back in the caves either)(see the pattern yet kids?), and that type of surviver behavior is not going to help ANYONE thread the proverbial camel.
My art is free for everyone to use anyway they want forever and ever amen.
Nice track by the way, tune in next week for another surprise!
"My art is free for everyone to use anyway they want forever and ever amen." - @steemjesus
Wouldn't you be pissed if someone stole your tracks and became rich off them? I would. I like the idea of free-range art, but artists work, and if we are always giving everything away, how do we eat?
Society doesn't expect anyone who has trained over half their life for something to give it away--except artists. This concerns me. Honing an artistic craft or learning an instrument (including electronic ones) takes time, skill, dedication, and perseverance. It's hard. Then we start making things with it. Are we not allowed to keep what is ours?
"How can you kick me out of what is mine?" -Jack Black
I'm in love with this topic and could talk on this subject for days.
One more thing, as a former teacher, I utilized the "for educational purposes" part of the Fair Use law to full effect.
Would I be pissed if somebody stole my tracks and became rich off them? Hell no, I'd be happy that my music is resonating with the masses. I want my music to shape the world, and I don't care who delivers it to them. If I could choose between influencing this world with my music or becoming rich, then you know where I stand.
Dan is this same way which is why his art resonates so well with mine. Dan ran out of money creating Graphene, but that didn't stop him from issuing Brownies, begging for favors, and basically doing whatever it took to get Graphene built. He was broke and desperate. That hard work paid off, but know he never stops creating even when he is broke. And I am the same way. I never expect riches, therefore I am never disappointed.
But hey, that's just me. Feel free to expect the things that you feel entitled to in this world (and then cry when you don't get exactly what you want), I know it's hip to do that, and I won't judge you, but don't expect me to be able to relate to your point of view. Without "want" and "desire" there is "action" and "effectiveness" toward your "goals." You are basically letting your emotions control a logical situation, and it's not wrong, just ineffective because your feelings can never change what is or what was. I just don't fight those facts (I don't fight gravity).
Once I die, then it is going to be difficult for me to influence this world, that is why I want everyone sampling (or stealing, or whatever they call flattery (imitation) today) me, and the best way to do that is to always always always give it away for free. But, hey, that's just me. Feel free to be Metallica if you want to publicly complain about why you think that you deserve more diamond rings. That's just not my bag baby. But feel free to fill yours up to the top, but remember, your ideas are reflected in your music:
You think that broke kids care about your million dollar holiday?:
I want my music copied, and played by so many people around the globe that everyone starts hearing it in their sleep (especially those who have never heard it before).
I never want any restrictions on my music, only incentives to pump it!
Come back next week jessamynorchard. I promise to sample your song without asking and split any proceeds with you. In fact, I'm going to use the entire refrain of your song, but I won't call it mine. I will call it "ours"
@steemjesus Becoming rich is vanity and that's not what I'm personally looking to do. If sharing my art wasn't important to me, I'd not have been giving it away since forever. It's just been lately that I've had some wonderful philosophical conversations about the VALUE of art. The literal value of the craft. Of course we want to effect the world and have an impact that resonates with people. Or even one person.
But, my point is that don't you deserve something more than a pat on the back for a craft you've been honed forever? I think you do. You've worked for it.
It's not the reason a person gets into it, but those products that are our original creations either from scratch or manipulated from other sources, are the result of hours of time we invest into it because we love it.
If a lawyer loves being a lawyer, should he work for free?
If a teacher loves teaching, and impacting the lives of youth, should he teach for free?
@steemjesus Not sure if this contributes to the discussion of content, but here's a post of mine that could fall into this category. I'm playing the part that could be considered the sample and not entirely sure how that works, but here is the link for the sake of discussion:
This is in my top 5 favorite blog post on steemit today. It is 9 months old at the time of this writing and only has 44 votes which is sad because it is really a priceless piece of writing brilliance. As I delve into a greater understanding of Graphene™, an industrial strength software platform for deploying third generation cryptographically secure decentralized ledgers known as block chains, (http://docs.bitshares.org/) my thoughts run wild with possibilities for the future.
@quantumanomaly as a dj yourself, I'm interested in your thoughts on this subject given both our positions on being paid on property we do not own.
Analogy Time:
Say a man makes a chair 50 years ago and sells it. Or he made the chair last year and I bought it at a yard sale.
(Either way, in this situation I am going to assume that samples were purchased at some point. As an artist, I do not support piracy of music especially.)
Then, I buy the chair. I take the chair and I cut it into pieces and glue it back together or, more likely, mod podge the hell out of it, and that would be a "Jessamyn Orchard Original" to me.
Would I need to note the original maker of the chair even though it might be indistinguishable from the original--or maybe all I did was paint some original art on the seat of the chair--I've created something different than that product that I own. However, would your product be able to exist without the original?
The question is--how far can you go before the original maker of the chair comes at you with a chair? In this case the maker of the chair could be artist lawyers and the chair coming at you could be a big fat lawsuit depending on how much actual money the person generated from the particular track.
I'm not sure. Wild West Gray areas.
Are there not laws protecting DJs at this point? I feel like clubs wouldn't be able to pay a DJ to do a set at most places if samples weren't protected.
If you are manipulating it, as long as you give credit to the original artist of the sample that you purchased, I don't see an ethical issue with it. However, I hope there is a discussion that follows.
I also think there may be a limit of time the sample can be before it isn't legally a sample...not sure on that one.
Interested in discussing this topic, @steemjesus.
Ahh, thanks for taking the bait. Someone in the classroom is paying attention. You can be my teacher's pet.
Here's an upvote (Pro Tip:Talk to steemjesus, and he does more than merely talk back).
I become the artists I sample. The reason why I have been successfully able to impersonate Dan in his own home is because I know Dan's mind intimately only because we have had many of the exact same thoughts. But we still need to teach many more people if we want to see the effect of our inventions. The last time he was in my dream was last week. I am not kidding. I hugged the man. I spoke to Jimi Hendrix in a dream back when I was mastering the guitar.
However, the sampler, is the most difficult instrument simply because it has the most harmonic range of any single instrument (of course because it encompasses all instrumental ranges simultaneously)(and that's what makes it difficult is that there are many buttons and knobs that you need to know what they do before you ever press them)(you can play drums in your head, guitar too, but can you play the entire orchestra in your head like Motzart?). I play more instruments than Prince, but I'm still just in teaching mode because there is no audience here right now. I have not yet begun to show you what is possible, but first we need to teach people how to use Steemit so we can grow an audience.
Dan is a virtuoso, and his instrument is Graphene. I crash Ableton so bad, I need a quantum computer. Multiple humans synced together can never solo, and therefore, can never be as free as one unique me.
When your art pallet has pieces from a Jessamyn Orchard Original, then I'm sure that your performance is different from that while using a Poang from IKEA (pound for pound the cheapest comfort you will ever find):
Artistic integrity is dependent upon the qualities of the ingredients. It's more than obvious what materials you used because they are integral. But do you have to name your furniture remix, the Jessamyn2.O? I'll change the name of this week's jam to "Beat Me to the Pump Mary" so that everyone can be happy.
Should we sharedrop STEEM on bitcoin just because we are using their blockchain private key concept. Can you patent science? Can you patent a chord progression? Can you patent the blockchain? This is the reason for this discussion.
Look at how evil works:
http://www.coindesk.com/nasdaq-patent-application-blockchain-backup/
Patenting blockchain backups? What's next? Patenting "Taking a shit?!"
These guys are no better than the lenders who force payback while holding the free market captive!
Copyright/patent people earn money in classic rent seeking fashion no matter how you look at it. But they need to eat too? So what, I don't tell you how to survive. It's like being a cop. Nobody hates to bust kids for worshiping nature, but, hey, someone has to do it right? Or maybe the Nazi who pulled the trigger does now feel remorse... But probably not as much as he feels guilt though!
If you have time to bitch about someone using your art, then it's a mathematical fact my friend, that you are in the top 1% of the richest humans who have ever walked the face of the earth (because you are surviving in a new way that never existed back in the day)(no there were not too many bankers back in the caves either)(see the pattern yet kids?), and that type of surviver behavior is not going to help ANYONE thread the proverbial camel.
My art is free for everyone to use anyway they want forever and ever amen.
Nice track by the way, tune in next week for another surprise!
"My art is free for everyone to use anyway they want forever and ever amen." - @steemjesus
Wouldn't you be pissed if someone stole your tracks and became rich off them? I would. I like the idea of free-range art, but artists work, and if we are always giving everything away, how do we eat?
Society doesn't expect anyone who has trained over half their life for something to give it away--except artists. This concerns me. Honing an artistic craft or learning an instrument (including electronic ones) takes time, skill, dedication, and perseverance. It's hard. Then we start making things with it. Are we not allowed to keep what is ours?
"How can you kick me out of what is mine?" -Jack Black
I'm in love with this topic and could talk on this subject for days.
One more thing, as a former teacher, I utilized the "for educational purposes" part of the Fair Use law to full effect.
Would I be pissed if somebody stole my tracks and became rich off them? Hell no, I'd be happy that my music is resonating with the masses. I want my music to shape the world, and I don't care who delivers it to them. If I could choose between influencing this world with my music or becoming rich, then you know where I stand.
Dan is this same way which is why his art resonates so well with mine. Dan ran out of money creating Graphene, but that didn't stop him from issuing Brownies, begging for favors, and basically doing whatever it took to get Graphene built. He was broke and desperate. That hard work paid off, but know he never stops creating even when he is broke. And I am the same way. I never expect riches, therefore I am never disappointed.
But hey, that's just me. Feel free to expect the things that you feel entitled to in this world (and then cry when you don't get exactly what you want), I know it's hip to do that, and I won't judge you, but don't expect me to be able to relate to your point of view. Without "want" and "desire" there is "action" and "effectiveness" toward your "goals." You are basically letting your emotions control a logical situation, and it's not wrong, just ineffective because your feelings can never change what is or what was. I just don't fight those facts (I don't fight gravity).
Once I die, then it is going to be difficult for me to influence this world, that is why I want everyone sampling (or stealing, or whatever they call flattery (imitation) today) me, and the best way to do that is to always always always give it away for free. But, hey, that's just me. Feel free to be Metallica if you want to publicly complain about why you think that you deserve more diamond rings. That's just not my bag baby. But feel free to fill yours up to the top, but remember, your ideas are reflected in your music:
You think that broke kids care about your million dollar holiday?:
I want my music copied, and played by so many people around the globe that everyone starts hearing it in their sleep (especially those who have never heard it before).
I never want any restrictions on my music, only incentives to pump it!
Come back next week jessamynorchard. I promise to sample your song without asking and split any proceeds with you. In fact, I'm going to use the entire refrain of your song, but I won't call it mine. I will call it "ours"
@steemjesus Becoming rich is vanity and that's not what I'm personally looking to do. If sharing my art wasn't important to me, I'd not have been giving it away since forever. It's just been lately that I've had some wonderful philosophical conversations about the VALUE of art. The literal value of the craft. Of course we want to effect the world and have an impact that resonates with people. Or even one person.
But, my point is that don't you deserve something more than a pat on the back for a craft you've been honed forever? I think you do. You've worked for it.
It's not the reason a person gets into it, but those products that are our original creations either from scratch or manipulated from other sources, are the result of hours of time we invest into it because we love it.
If a lawyer loves being a lawyer, should he work for free?
If a teacher loves teaching, and impacting the lives of youth, should he teach for free?
@steemjesus Not sure if this contributes to the discussion of content, but here's a post of mine that could fall into this category. I'm playing the part that could be considered the sample and not entirely sure how that works, but here is the link for the sake of discussion:
https://steemit.com/music/@jessamynorchard/jessamynorchard-chillmode-loop-remix-part-one-of-wpb-project#comments
How about the "low lying STEEM fruit" of "Mom Blogs"?
Ex.: https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@modernmama/hey-there-i-m-casi-i-m-relaunching-my-mom-blog-on-steemit-and-bringing-all-my-friends
This is in my top 5 favorite blog post on steemit today. It is 9 months old at the time of this writing and only has 44 votes which is sad because it is really a priceless piece of writing brilliance. As I delve into a greater understanding of Graphene™, an industrial strength software platform for deploying third generation cryptographically secure decentralized ledgers known as block chains, (http://docs.bitshares.org/) my thoughts run wild with possibilities for the future.