Thanks for a great comment.
The biggest major key is that self-vote on your own quality hunts should be counted. If I leave a 300 word original hunt post and have a reputation 60+ and I can't even give it a 3.0 boost in this new system then that is ridiculous. That punish hard working Steemians that has spent months build up a reputation by posting quality content. Why would a Steemit influencer with high rep then care to advertise Steemhunt if the influencer is being ranked same as a brand new user? You want to leverage your time and energy you spent in something. Capital needs to flow to make people stay and be loyal and have time to invest in something.
If you can't do that then the system doesn't reward Steemians that has worked hard to build up an account but wants to force them to restart brand new on a platform. Clearly quality hunts are more value than someone that passively delegates to Steemhunt. Or someone that tries to find a group that earn some real money on Steemhunt. Let's be real majority of humans aren't scammers and trying to cheat the system. It's always a small minority that do something crazy. So the majority shouldn't be punished as this system does. You should be able to put your reputation and stake it in a self vote. This is win-win. Since the one creating hunts is an active engaged user and that should be rewarded more. Especially someone that has built up their Steemit account.
Even the idea of milking implies that a person thinks people start off from an evil agenda. It's baseline is people can't be trusted, people are scammy, we need to find the scammy ones and focus all our energy on them. This will only make that group grow bigger. Focus should be on people do amazing work and build up role models. Someone with a self vote that is built on trust on all sides. That people can be trusted. And that some has built up a high reputation and wouldn't wanna ruin that.
I am personally not convinced that there is an obligation for any system to say that “I did a great job, now I’m going to reward myself for that” and that every system should agree with that.
In real life, in more situations than not, that is usually not possible.
It is also important to consider that most developments happen from an angle of SMT, as such Steemhunt is developing a platform which uses the Steem reward system as the basis, but does not depend on how Steem BC itself calculates the rewards. With SMTs every platform will have the opportunity to develop its own algo.
Steemhunt is the first platform to release such a system, already before SMTs.
As such you have to think of Steemhunt as a platform living in an own silo on the Steem blockchain. In a near future, Steemhunt will even have its own reputation system, a reputation system which will take in account only what was done through the Steemhunt website.
Now I do understand where you come from, but the idea behind all we release is already own platform on top of the Steem BC. Once HF20, with flawless signups, many people will live only in their SMT and never see Steemit. As such they will in this case be first hunters, and only then Steemians.
Addendum: also keep in mind that is has become relatively easy for people to actually buy reputation on Steem. But remember that your own selfvote still pays out via Steem rewards. But it’s does not count for the daily Steemhunt rankings.
Again thanks for a good comment.
But this photo shows how flawed this is. A person with 3 Steem Power influenced my contribution he bumped up the score 50%! But me with 5500 Steem Power has no power? Okay what is in my mind then? How can I game the system. Since this is not fair. Why can a random probably troll account bump up my score 50%? This creates more scammy shady stuff for sure.
Someone that holds 0.0 VESTS has more power than my millions of VESTS. Fair? Sure. And oh yes I have people that have me on autovote since they know I produce quality content. Is that being rewarded in new Steemhunt? Nope! All my original real people on Steemit that autovote me works 100 times harder but they do not get into the Steemhunt ranks. Only new troll accounts with low rep and close to 0 investment in Steem.
That’s not a flaw. That’s by design.
I know that may seem harsh but it is to create a more level, independent from SP, Steemhunt platform.
The matrix may be tweaked at any point tho. For now it is an initial release. As this post also said, more elements will be added. If we notice that for example account farms will start to game, changes will happen.
But SP is not a factor anymore in the calculation. Not beyond in how far your SP may influence how high your upvote % is. But long term the thinking there is that hunters and Steemhunt curators are first Steemhunt users rather than think SP.
The positive in that is that those who have a large stake (HUNT token stake in the future) and also HUNT CURATION SCORE (HCS) and who understand the Steemhunt will still give a 100% upvote.
But we will analyse what happens and the matrix may be corrected at any time we think we need to tweak it. Maybe with more levels, maybe with more 1/n in the multiplicator. That is still to be decided.
Currently Steemhunt tries to create a more level Steemhunt platform, rather independent (but not fully yet) from Steem(it)/busy/etc.
Summarized: think Steemhunt, not Steem. Once won reputation system released the Steemhunt ranking is independent of SP/Steem rep. Independent except that high SP may mean lower upvote for some Steemians.
Thanks,
Sure I understand. But this also force users to try to find circle jerk friends. And I don't really see the incentive why anyone would upvote anyone outside their friendzone now. Since now it will be all about make your own Steemhunt post. And find as many 60 rep people as possible and just focus on your own group. There will no longer be any random cool upvotes you will get. Why would anyone do that? The post will not really get boosted that much. You need many insider friends now!
Since there will be no incentive to do random acts of kindness to cool products. Since it now all just relies on the big vote from Steemhunt. What will happen is now people really will create groups of 10 people and they all will go and upvote eachothers posts only. Since the reward in monetary reward will only be worth it from the big upvote from Steemhunt. This will make all profits rely on Steemhunt instead of it coming from the community.
Circle jerks will be handicapped by the future diversity matrix. ;)
The reason why the release of ABV was suddenly prioritized was to prevent the impact of trails and also to avoid some people locking out the top spot each day. As such it was not a fair system to base the Steemhunt ranking upvote on highest Steem reward. And mid- to long-term that would have stunted growth. Imagine 5 whales locking out top 10 daily.
This is an initial release. Work to create a more organic and fair upvoting behavior is an ongoing process. :)
But that also creates another problem.
So you can't have your friends upvote your post? That will become a massive cat and mouse game. And it will annoy people a lot. Is it really that bad if someone is number 1 a lot? Do like dtube and lower the rewards then for that specific account so you can't abuse it. Not punish but slightly decrease it for highly successful users.
Also with this voting system a person can lower his voting power to 1% and spend no money and give out 100% 3.0 rewards I think the way I see it work.
People want attention in this attention economy. And they want to buy for it so self boost something will grow more. WildSpark from Synereo offers you to boost content. A 100% organic ranking system is very idealistic and perhaps it will work in the future. But currently you need the investors and influencers. The big names that hold lots of Steem Power. You can boost your content on YouTube, Instagram, Twitter and Facebook. But not on Steemhunt? It's going against what the market wants to do.
It needs to be combined with the rep of an account. Steem Power needs to have power in the rankings. To completely try to cut it off before SMTs and the Hunt tokens are able to be cashed out is going to be like cut off blood in a human body. At the same time as lazy passive Steemit investors delegate their Steem Power and is being rewarded with Hunt Tokens. That will say Steemhunt loves their Steem Power but no other user is allowed to use it in rankings.
First: stop thinking Steem. Friendships on Steem do not automatically need to be adopted by a new platform. Remember SMTs which, like Good Person Token, can implement their own algo.
Second: No system will be as simple as “not upvoting your friends anymore”. That is an element we are aware of, but the friendship will have to happen on Steemhunt. Not via Autovoting.
That is a problem but it is mostly a problem if one can not leave thinking Steem behind. It is Steemhunt tho, not Steem. Steem is the platform Steemhunt is built on but it isn’t completely taken over/in consideration.
Lastly: It is a process in development we will constantly monitor and iron out kinks when they happen. Complicated and sophisticated AI may be integrated at some point. I can not really explain all possible options in some comments tho.
Will any system ever be 100% perfect? No.
Will we try to evolve to the fairest possible Steemhunt platform? Yes. Everything will be monitored and elements like friendships will be a constant consideration in assessment and in the decision of what algo is applied. But there will also be people who will argue that friendships are a form of circle jerking. So it will always be thin and sometimes even difficult lines to thread.
Most importantly tho, at the core of everything, will be Steemhunt and not the Steem (account) with all it brings with it. Different silo. A vertical on top of Steem but not adopting all of Steem to base its own rankings, and thus rewards, on.
It is important to understand that Steemhunt first [SMT silo] ideology. There is no obligation to inherit and adopt the whole Steem mechanics, such as for example influence of vests and reputation. Those are elements which can be used within the Steem ecosphere and as such a whole userbase with reputation metric even is available to tap in to for new platforms. But it is not required to fully adopt those components.
Once you can see that thinking [ugh] drives the evolution you will be able to understand more why things are happening. Your following/rep is a bonus but not a guarantee on Steemhunt/any future vertical built on Steem. Not an obligation for the platform to integrate what those bring with them.
Any platform can decide to not consider vests and Steem reputation and instead develop its own system. That is what is currently happening on/with Steemhunt. And Steemhunt will eventually be driven by HUNT economy (token), all while still also rewarding in vests (SP) since that is a core mechanic of SMT (and the Steem blockchain). May I recommend you check out Ned’s post about the Good Person Token/SMT he pre-announced some weeks ago (apologies am on mobile and between places so I don’t have it quickly at hand here).