Well to put it in a less confusing way, asking self-voters and circle jerkers if they have considered what would happen if everyone did what they do is usually met with silence, regardless of how vociferous they might portray themselves as, and they swiftly fall silent after that because there's nothing to Argue anymore, if they would call it ridiculous I would only ask a very pointed question: Is it ridiculous simply because it involves everyone? Obviously logic beats stupid and idiots alike if they chose to do as idiots do and speak falsehoods in the face of truth.
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I'm finding i'm met with silence, or insults at present.
Still looking up for more support - Heimindanger is a good start but I think much more could do with raising their voice.