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RE: Just So We're Clear - The Tech Manager of Steemit Is Anti Democracy and Pro Oligarchy - in His Own Words.

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You asked me why direct democracy was better, I explained why it is better. the end.

Yeah, it's better than representative because representative is worse, that's called explaining. /s

your statement 'have an equal vote for the witnesses' is imprecise. to clarify, I simply want all witnesses to be visible in the list from which people make their votes.

The context was, and is, Representative Democracy vs Direct Democracy and I related that to Steem. Yeah I get it, the list should include all the witnesses, not that each vote should be the same.

I do not equate voluntarism with democracy, so unless you are calling voluntarism an idiotic idea, again, I am not clear what you are saying here.

I'm calling democracy a dumb idea. Voluntarism is the de facto state of the world.

Any account owner, regardless of their SP is going to be hindered in the process of freely choosing a voting candidate, if they cannot see all of them - it's not difficult to understand is it?

Simply saying that doesn't make it true, you realize that, don't you? To actually demonstrate that you'd have to explain How and Why their choices are hindered. Choosing a voting candidate from a list or by typing it in doesn't change anything, they aren't hindered in choosing, they are hindered in skipping a step in the process of voting. I didn't misunderstand anything, I can fathom the numerous implications of displaying only the top 50 witnesses but I seriously doubt you understand the concept of freely choosing (freedom of choice, volition) and think that exaggerating it to Conveniently choosing passes for the same concern, it doesn't. They can choose anyone they wish, even people that aren't in the top 50, can they not?

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I already provided a link to an analysis that shows how the amount of votes received by users in the 40/50 region jumps fairly profoundly. I have spoken with a witness who moved into the top 50 fairly recently and who confirmed that it is unfair and he receives hugely more votes now he is in the top 50. I can also show two posts from the last few hours where people have tried to vote for me using the steemit witness page and they have typed my name in, the interface has shown that they have voted for me, but the vote was not logged in the blockchain.

If you cannot understand how this is unfair then that is not my problem.

They can choose anyone they wish, even people that aren't in the top 50, can they not?

a) They have no way of knowing who the witnesses outside of the top 50 even are, unless they do significant amounts of research.
b) Even when they do choose someone outside of the top 50, there are at least two major reasons why there is a good chance their vote will fail.

Because thoes things are Front end and you think that Steem has ANYTHING to do with that.

Without Steem, Steemit is completely useless - but in any case I am really only talking about issues in Steemit.com and not issues in Steem.

So they have a way.

Several users who have commented on this issue over several posts in the last few days, that I have made, have said that for most of the time they used the system they had no idea how witnesses functioned or what the voting was for - so they just pretty much randomly clicked on names from the list of the top 50 to make up their 30 votes. This appears to be more common than people actually doing research.
They have a way, but they ware unlikely to take it and in any case, whether they have a way or not does not change the fact that the situation is unfair.

So they can't because Steemit won't allow it?

One issue, as stated multiple times here already, is that the votes often aren't even logged. The other issue is that the design of the 'vote' button and text input works in a way that is counter to expectation - you type in the name and click 'vote' and then the user's name and a 'vote circle' icon appears. In a large number of cases, people then click the new 'vote circle' button - thinking that they need to do that to vote. The then unvote the account. You can look through the history of votes for probably all of the witness accounts below the top 50 and you will see many examples of votes being cast and then immediately uncast - this is where people unvote accidentally. I catch some of them, but surely not all of them. This is the THIRD hindrance witnesses below 50 face and for no good reason.