I 100% agree with payouts need to be expanded. I brought this up weeks back and it looked like they headed in the right direction to only go back to a version of the old model . I used poker as my example as well and even provided charts that showed tournament payouts across multiple million and billion dollar companies. To be fair the auto tournaments are new so I think we need to give them time to work out any kinks. Hopefully they are able to implement payouts based on the % of players entered at some point.
Edit: On further review of the finished tournaments it looks like they have expanded the payout structure.
Edit: On further review of the finished tournaments it looks like they have expanded the payout structure.
That's a smart move and I'm happy to hear that.
Thanks for your response also and I agree with giving them a break on the tournaments and functionality part....no problem or issues there - you can never have things perfect from the get go.
Hey @glory7, this is another topic (other than the imposition of fees to enable us to get entry into the tourneys we were promised to have entry to) that I think is important to understand. @palikari123 describes it beautifully. I think everyone is going to want to explain to you things because 1) you're a great player and have respect of all and 2) you have shown an openness that is refreshing. So thank you for taking the time to interact with people here! :)
First of all, I appreciate your detailed reply. It helped me to understand the issue much better.
And second, I thought you kicked my ass several times! Maybe we only remember the games we lost.
Okay, going back to the main topic...
Among the points you made, I believe that the following two are crucial:
Game slowly dies when lots of players give up and leave.
Since the current system incentivises players to level up, there will be even fewer numbers of people in lower level.
I am not sure how to solve this issue, nor do I know the impact of entry fee on high level tourneys. However, healthy discussion like this would certainly help.
I actually don't understand the issue or problem with having more players playing in the diamond league tournaments myself. Most people with non-competitive decks will play once or twice and not play again anyway, as they will quickly realise that they have no shot of winning. Fee or no fee. I myself don't play them often, and there is no way I will pay a fee to even try - I know I would just be handing money over to the best players, who I know I can't consistently beat atm. If you think you have no shot of winning a tournament then it really is a waste of time and money for those people and not the top tier players. They will get paid to beat the weaker players anyway, so whats the big deal? And the best players would actually want the weak players in the field, as that's where the value actually comes from. You may get unlucky once or twice in the short term, but in the long run you are printing money against those players.
One of the biggest talking points amongst the SM community has always been to expand the player base as much as possible. That's a good idea for obvious reasons. But if players need to purchase cards to play the game and then have to also pay fees while losing consistently, they are more likely to get disheartened and give up, than if they didn't have to pay fees just for the privelege to enter a tournament.
The issue with paying a fee, comes from the fact that the prizepools were supposed to be generated from pack sales and the SM community account, and there was never a mention of fees being introduced into the game. This is why so many of us aren't buying the argument being given in favour of fees for tournaments (aside from the spam issue).
The reason why I made the second point you highlighted, is because there is a disconnect between the reason given for fees to be introduced (wasting peoples time) and the very likely reality that there will be much larger field sizes in diamond level tournaments in future anyway when more and more players level up. What happens when the game grows to the point of having 10,000 players all levelled up to diamond level playing tournaments? Will everyone be wasting their time then? So, to me that just doesnt make sense, because that is whole point.....To have more people playing a the highest possible level rather than less, which also creates the opportunity for more traffic and much bigger prize pools!
I 100% agree with payouts need to be expanded. I brought this up weeks back and it looked like they headed in the right direction to only go back to a version of the old model . I used poker as my example as well and even provided charts that showed tournament payouts across multiple million and billion dollar companies. To be fair the auto tournaments are new so I think we need to give them time to work out any kinks. Hopefully they are able to implement payouts based on the % of players entered at some point.
Edit: On further review of the finished tournaments it looks like they have expanded the payout structure.
That's a smart move and I'm happy to hear that.
Thanks for your response also and I agree with giving them a break on the tournaments and functionality part....no problem or issues there - you can never have things perfect from the get go.
Hey @glory7, this is another topic (other than the imposition of fees to enable us to get entry into the tourneys we were promised to have entry to) that I think is important to understand. @palikari123 describes it beautifully. I think everyone is going to want to explain to you things because 1) you're a great player and have respect of all and 2) you have shown an openness that is refreshing. So thank you for taking the time to interact with people here! :)
Thank you very much for letting me join this healthy, informative, friendly conversation. My pleasure.
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First of all, I appreciate your detailed reply. It helped me to understand the issue much better.
And second, I thought you kicked my ass several times! Maybe we only remember the games we lost.
Okay, going back to the main topic...
Among the points you made, I believe that the following two are crucial:
I am not sure how to solve this issue, nor do I know the impact of entry fee on high level tourneys. However, healthy discussion like this would certainly help.
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I actually don't understand the issue or problem with having more players playing in the diamond league tournaments myself. Most people with non-competitive decks will play once or twice and not play again anyway, as they will quickly realise that they have no shot of winning. Fee or no fee. I myself don't play them often, and there is no way I will pay a fee to even try - I know I would just be handing money over to the best players, who I know I can't consistently beat atm. If you think you have no shot of winning a tournament then it really is a waste of time and money for those people and not the top tier players. They will get paid to beat the weaker players anyway, so whats the big deal? And the best players would actually want the weak players in the field, as that's where the value actually comes from. You may get unlucky once or twice in the short term, but in the long run you are printing money against those players.
One of the biggest talking points amongst the SM community has always been to expand the player base as much as possible. That's a good idea for obvious reasons. But if players need to purchase cards to play the game and then have to also pay fees while losing consistently, they are more likely to get disheartened and give up, than if they didn't have to pay fees just for the privelege to enter a tournament.
The issue with paying a fee, comes from the fact that the prizepools were supposed to be generated from pack sales and the SM community account, and there was never a mention of fees being introduced into the game. This is why so many of us aren't buying the argument being given in favour of fees for tournaments (aside from the spam issue).
The reason why I made the second point you highlighted, is because there is a disconnect between the reason given for fees to be introduced (wasting peoples time) and the very likely reality that there will be much larger field sizes in diamond level tournaments in future anyway when more and more players level up. What happens when the game grows to the point of having 10,000 players all levelled up to diamond level playing tournaments? Will everyone be wasting their time then? So, to me that just doesnt make sense, because that is whole point.....To have more people playing a the highest possible level rather than less, which also creates the opportunity for more traffic and much bigger prize pools!
Thanks so much for giving us your time @glory7!