I am highly confused.
The steem-bounty account has no RC. So I decided to power up some SP. To my dismay this had no effect at all.
Seriously?!? I just powered up $1000 and I cant even transact?
That goes against every basic concept of how Vest are supposed to work. You are to be able to buy more rights to use the network buy powering up.
How are new accounts supposed to do anything if they can‘t even be created and powered.
Are we supposed to create an account and then wait 5 days before we can do anything or if we run out of resources have to wait a week every time before we can use this account again?
Can someone explain how this new system works and why it makes any sense at all?
Your @steem-bounty acc. had not been resetted from negative RC. Nearly everyone had negative RC to begin with, but the fix they provided resetted every account one by one, probably in the order of creation.
When it was resetted, you had 10% RC on default, so you could instantly transact and publish the post that steem bounty was affected, too.
It has nothing to do with how much SP you have powered up
There have been a few issues checked in to GitHub. I don’t think the new system is working 100% correctly yet. We will probably see a 20.4 with some updated fixes soon.
It's rather confusing to me too. I've tried to read up about it and from what I can tell it says that yes now we're all in the same boat of having accounts sapped of resources and then once we're all back to "normal" in 5 days we can start interacting with the blockchain and we will then help it establish an equilibrium based on the market/use/demand for resources! So your account will, in theory, regulate itself as to how much RC you get to interact. Naturally larger accounts will have more RC to do more . We will have to wait and see how it works in practice though. For now I guess we can always use Weku for the standard steemit fix
I’m afraid you just have to wait a few days. A lot of people are having issues. It should be back to normal at the end of this week.
It's working a lot better now. I think a lot of the witnesses have admitted that there was a lack of testing and it shouldn't have gone down like this. The main point for now is that they are trying to get the balance right where the smaller accounts have enough RC to be active without giving them enough to spam. The balance was off at the start but then they have increased the allocations so that everybody can get back to normal. From some of the witnesses that i follow they have admitted that it was a bad hardfork and should have been tested better to avoid this rough period. It will take a while for the results of this to come out over the next couple of weeks but the theory behind it is sound.
I don't know how it's all going to play out over time but i'm willing to give it a chance and see how things play out. I've read a good few posts on the possibilities that the hardfork has opened up and to be honest there is a lot of potential in it.
I'm not a dev. But the new RC system seems to work a lot like Voting Power. The short answer would be that powering up affect the RC regeneration rate. More SP you have, more RC you get each day.
This is actually one advantage the old bandwidth model had. You could just power up and use more of the network. But Resource Credits are kind of like another token that is non-transferable. So RC is no longer a claim on a portion of the network.
The amount of RC required for a certain operation is decided by the network and we are still waiting for the equilibration. RC is basically just a token you pay (burn) which has a max limit and regeneration rate based on your SP.
RC has more in common with rshares than Bandwidth.
Hope this helped.
Update: The new 0.20.4 fixed some issues:
#2961 Powering up / delegating SP does not increase RC
Bug: users powering up, were not able to vote/transact instantly
Now, receiving SP gives an instant voting mana boost
I just watched the steemd profil of a new account.
A new Account can post 2 comments ... well maybe only 1 long comment.
If that is the case I m done with steem. I don't think any new user will stay here if he can only create 2 comments and then has to wait for reload.
The system is not stable at that time. They are rebalancing the network. It is now back to normal because they increase the 10 x resource credits.
It is quite hard to explain but If you have more SP you will get more RCs. They try to stop comments and posts spammers. So they remove account createion wiht SP delegation. So no more free account can be made. No SP means no activity you can make in Steemit. In this way every users from now on has to use their money to make engagement. That may pull up Steem price. So I think this is a good change.
Currently with my SP comments I made cost only a few RCs. This is below 1% and refilled very quickly. This is good for me but they will change it later I think. They are try to stopping spammers so they will make a limitation for sure.
This is fair I think because previously no limition on comments. So spammers make comments on a lot of post. Now they can not post as they wish they have to wait or buy SP.
I'm also super confused, we changed the old bandwidth to RC but not sure what's the exact difference is.
Good question, many are confused but I am confident we all are happy on Monday when 5 days are over, VP full again and we have enough RC as well.
The main bug in the HF 20 implementation was random assignment of mana to user accounts before the enforcement. For some reasons, users who had a consistent activity in the day before the hardfork were assigned negative mana. That made posting and interacting with the blockchain impossible until a fix was released and all witnesses implemented it and replayed the entire blockchain (which delayed things quite a lot).
For this reason, your #steem-bounty account RC face this problem....
This does not explain why powering up has no effect.
I already had positive rc before powering up.
Their system has some error for RC...
Powering up / delegating SP does not increase RC
Bug : users powering up, were not able to vote/transact instantly
Now, receiving SP gives an instant voting mana boost
Hope they fix this...
That was one thing. I also tried powering up. It seems that the newly powered up sp enters 0% cahrged and will only raise your max and your regeneration. The account should be fine in a few days but if you want to transact now that does not help.
There is one potential idea I have, not sure if it works. Potentially you can add your main account to assume the posting role of your alt and then RC are deducted from there. Will test this later.
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They say we need to give this new RC system a few days till it reaches a balance. So I think all these issues are just a matter of time.
I'm not sure my comment will go through at all, but what does RC stand for? Real cock-up? I can hardly place any line of comment right now, not to mention making a post. Just terrible! What were they thinking?
The more recent your last vote before the hardfork was, the more your voting power was impacted. This behavior is a one time issue that will resolve itself over the next 5 days. Some accounts even got a negative amount of RC, but this has been solved by a patch.
About why a power up did not have an inmmediate effect in RC I have two theories:
The RC system is in stabilizing process.
Powering up only increases the maximum RC and the regeneration rate, but does not instantly increase the RC amount.
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Yea this is fixed now, but we had to shut down the service until we have rc again
More vest will give faster regen and higher max but it wont have immediate effect
There is a pretty good article on Unhashed.com Steem Completes Hardfork Upgrade, Reports Voting Issues will Resolve in 5 Days. Check this one out, @knircky.
Even when HF20 was a complete failure , your issue seems to get solved with v0.20.4. It was a bug according to the new post of @steemitblog.
Still resource credits seem not to be balanced yet. Actually an account with 15 SP can do after recharge two comments. Even when the resource credit budget will be multiplied by ten (which is part of v0.20.4) they still can just do 20 comments before their resource credits need to recharge.
Maybe everything gets better at some point but as far as I know STINC this point will be in a few months.
I had the same issue. A friend of mine just opened an account before the hf. Of course they could not do much now. So I delegated a couple hundred SP and nothing! Didn't seem to help a bit. As usual very frustrating.
Dear @knircky, after 5 days of idle i am able only now to make a comment, by i do not know for how long and how much i can do, i made 2 times power up, but i do not think this is my place, where you should pay to make upvote or comments....
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of the things that are not so incredible, this time we observe how a great project begins to fall, I always say that human stupidity has no limits, this is a test.
Hi. I had a similar experience. For me, I got a delegation of 140 SP for 1 Steem. It boosted my Voting Mana to 100 but my RC was very much behind.
It was fixed about 24 hours later (at least I got 100% on my voting bar)
I'm still confused how all of this works but I'm going to hang around to find out.
Hi hi @knircky, yes it was not that easy to deal with the RC in the past days ... however I think it's important to keep some "rules" or hints in mind ...
There is an amazing cool article by the WelcomeWagon about that:
https://steemit.com/welcomewagon/@welcomewagon/80-why-you-need-to-know-it
Have a great day, everybody!
Most of the witnesses are afraid because of HF20 especially the RC system they said it doesn't work as they were expected
Iam new, all this lingo / language in steem is really interesting to me, how do I learn how to work with steem and all thats involved in it without wasting too much time. when I read post that have to do with participation of some kind, I feel like jeeez are all these wonderful people just in a different world all together?,how do i cope?