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RE: @steem-ua Still Alive & Kicking

in #utopian-io5 years ago

As said, in this post, every (un)follow and every witness (un)vote on the Steem chain changes all UA scores. What doesn't make "sense" to you, is still a direct (equilibrium) result of current Steem Witness ranks and the entire Steem Follow Matrix.

Feel free to tune UA yourself! The repo has been open sourced (link is in the post, click click) and be sure to DM me when you've posted about your own UA settings!

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I know it's open source, but no thanks.

I just pointed out that something may be wrong. Maybe you should thank for that, not asking me to tune? Just compare ua top 100 and witness top 100 if you haven't, then you may also disagree with the current result. As far as I remember, these days, the ranks have not been updated so frequently, so that's why I ask if it's still being updated. I'll just wait for a few more days. But one thing for sure is it's quite sensitive, which is fine. It's just one ranking system, and there is no ranking system that everybody can agree.

Again, I'm not complaining. I also know that UA rank is not so related to the post rank, and I really don't care both. But I was trying to help. That's all. For instance, I delegated (though small) from an account that I don't even post often enough to help steem-ua.

ps. I'm an economist and also a dev. I know what equilibrium means. This isn't an equilibrium. Do not overuse the term equilibrium though I understand it sounds fancy so too overused in the industry. Maybe just "result" or "outcome" is the right word in this case. As you said, if "very (un)follow and every witness (un)vote on the Steem chain changes all UA scores. ", then it's not an equilibrium.

If you use equilibrium just to mean "stablized outcome/status" (usual in the industry), it's also not.

I also have a question: It seems utopian also undelegated to steem-ua, so will the voting for utopian post discontinue soon?

ps. Since you're the one of PO, I appreciate if you could use more deliberated tone to users. While I'm at it, let me tell you this too. No offense. This is just my and many users' opinion. I remember that you or some other team member downvoted dlive with steem-ua account (most SP is delegated from users). Of course, most users including me thought dlive did a very bad thing, but you shouldn't have downvoted with @steem-ua.

I just pointed out that something is wrong. Maybe you should thank for that, not asking me to tune?

And I responded I think it's fine as it is, so that if you think it's wrong it's not up to me to change it. I do listen to you though, and to everybody with good intentions talking about possible improvements. So please don't confuse my response with not thanking you: I am content with your suggestions, please treat mine likewise! ;-)

ps. I'm an economist and also a dev. I know what equilibrium means. This isn't an equilibrium. Do not overuse the term equilibrium though I understand it sounds fancy so too overused in the industry

Please have a read here which is my original "UA invention post" prior to actually developing the UA algorithm. In there I explain what I meant with "equilibrium" in the context of using a multi-iterative substitution approach over Gauss(ian)-Jordan Matrix Row Reduction, in a successful attempt to circumvent the in-RAM computational cost of holding 1.45 trillion Eigenvalues.
=> you don't see me wrongfully using the term Equilibrium in (my) mathematical context, do you? It's the same context I'm referring to now.

It seems utopian also undelegated to steem-ua, so will the voting for utopian post will discontinue soon?

In fact @elear and I had contact prior to @utopian-io quitting their witness and pulling back @steem-ua delegations. We're still friends, @elear's decision had zero to do with @steem-ua itself and it's not me to openly elaborate about his business decisions regarding his company. And no, @steem-ua (and @holger80 and myself individually as well) still support @utopian-io and will continue to upvote Utopian contributions as well. Personally, I think Open Source Utopian contributions are paramount to the overall success of the Steem chain. @utopian-io delegating to @steem-ua has far deeper roots than a "vote-4-vote" or something... #i-am-utopian

I haven't carefully read the post you mentioned, but come on :) In the previous comment, you used equilibrium no that way :) But that's fine. I know equilibrium can mean many things in the reality :)

I may actually see the UA source code (I actually contributed several steem projects for fun. Especially, if you're using Busy, you should thank me). If so I'll let you know if I have something. But not near future :(

And no, @steem-ua (and @holger80 and myself individually as well) still support @utopian-io and will continue to upvote Utopian contributions as well.

This is great and thank you so much! I also (again small :) delegated to utopian on my own, and thought of increasing it continuously but after seeing a few moves of recent utopian, not sure. But I also use around 9k to vote utopian posts. Hope steem-ua successfully continue as well. Thank you for listening to my suggestion.

Nor UA, nor @steem-ua for that matter is "perfect". I've never intentionally labeled it as such either. Yet UA (as an influence metric) and @steem-ua (a curation system using UA data) do have "a place" on Steem, I think.

If you read back, I mean my initial "invention posts", you can see that initially I've tried to let others, preferably Steemit Inc. itself, develop UA and embed it both in the Condenser interface as well as "blockchain-wide". Yet some large stakeholders like it, others don't, other technological developments have/had a higher priority, and as a consequence I've joined forces with @holger80 to develop UA and @steem-ua.

And I think we so far we've done the best we could; the mere fact close to 900 individual accounts are delegating to @steem-ua is "proof" the program and metric have merit.

And as I've explained in this post, it's the "Steem-UA Power Delegators" that "carry" all those smaller delegators; providing them with higher upvotes than self-voting would bring them, and at the same time keeping them on-board on the Steem chain. That's worth a lot, I think. So if you support this mission, then feel free to become a "Power Delegator" yourself of course... Would be very much appreciated.

I totally agree that you guys have been doing good so far and I support the program. So you don't need to explain about it in detail :)

But I'm talking about the possibility of bug in the recent change.

Just see https://steem-ua.com/stats

surprised that you guys haven't fixed this yet. I mentioned this several times including here: https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@blockchainstudio/steem-ua-suggestions-optional-ranking-info-in-comments-delegator-pages-voting-conflict-prevention-for-utopian-posts (probably you didn't read this before)

There is a bug in this very simple thing. How are you so sure about more complicated algorithm? Personally I have fixed many bugs in several steem projects. Any program can have bugs.

For instance, afaik, top 100 witness's UA rank was usually higher than 150. But for instance, ayogom (58th)'s UA rank was around 100 but now 5265. This is just an example and there are so many cases like this. As I said many times, please make comparison table witness rank and ua rank, then you'll understand what I'm talking about. Again, it had been quite reasonable til a few days ago.