A few months ago my adult son had to be hospitalized. He has been gravely harmed by western medicine and its "treatment" for Crohn's disease since his diagnosis at the age of eight. We initially tried to treat my son with a variety of natural holistic treatments, but the schools insisted that he have western medical treatment, and I did not want to lose custody, so we agreed.
First came the prednisone, which wrecked his emotional well-being. Then came a slew of immuno-suppressant medications. Then came the anti-depressants, the benzos, the antibiotics, several other steroids, muscle relaxers, antacids, and finally biologics. By the time he was twelve, he was getting regular infusions of an early biologic, Remicade. My kitchen counter looked like a shelf in a pharmacy.
Since his liberation from public school and entry into adulthood, we have successfully implemented a very simple but demanding protocol to manage his Crohn's disease, the GAPS protocol. However, his issues have long included far more than just an autoimmune disease, and he all too often requires western medical attention.
At every visit he is asked if he has had the flu vaccine - this question seems to be mandatory for all medical facilities to ask. I recently went to an orthopedist and there the question was, in bold lettering, just under my name on the first page: Have you had the flu vaccine? I asked the office staff why they needed to know that and they shrugged their shoulders. Read on to find out why it's there.
Whenever my son is asked if he has had the flu vaccine or wants one, he answers unequivocally "No." But at one point during his week in the hospital, I noticed that his records said he had received a flu vaccine during that visit! I asked him if he had gotten a shot and he said "no". He would definitely have remembered that he'd been administered a shot, so I brushed it off and thought the medical records must have been wrong.
Today I watched a video, provided below, in which a nurse explains that one of the papers a patient in the US must sign just before undergoing any procedure involving general anesthesia is a consent form. In it you give your consent for "biogenics" to be administered if the doctors deem them necessary. If you have told the hospital that you have not had the flu vaccine (and the pneumococcal vaccine if you are over 65) then your chart reads that this vaccine is due. Once you are under anesthesia, you are given the shot whether you have previously refused it or not. No one tells you that they did this, but if you get your medical records you can see it there.
My son had a colonoscopy sometime during that hospitalization. I believe he was given a flu vaccine, against both of our stated wishes and without any consent, at that time. There is nothing we can do - he had signed the misleading consent form, not knowing what it entailed.
His medical issues are significant, far more complicated than a simple autoimmune disease, and are very difficult to manage. We meticulously minimize toxins in his food, water, clothing, environment and medicinal substances, and thought he had not had a vaccine and the toxins those contain for many years.
Unfortunately, he had a second procedure a few months after the hospital stay which involved anesthesia. He again told them he had not had the shot (we did not know that he had), again verbally refused, and again signed the papers without giving them any thought.
I am certain that if I look up the medical records from that second visit I will find that he was given another flu vaccine just a few months later because a new flu "season" was upon us. It is possible for a patient to be given many vaccines a year without their knowing, especially the elderly who are automatically given both the flu vaccine and the pneumococcal vaccine while they are under anesthesia for any procedure, if they reported that they have not been vaccinated. This can happen several times a year, because they do not know they have had the vaccines!
As I understand it, the only way to protect yourself from receiving these unwanted vaccines is to write "NO VACCINES" on all consent forms and to initial them. My adult children and I will now write that on every medical paper we sign.
FYI - a bill to make HPV vaccines mandatory for all children attending school in NYS has been introduced in the state senate. This bill is sure to pass. NYS is, after all, the state that recently had a bill eliminating all exemptions for school children introduced in committee, passed by both houses and signed by the governor all in one day. It won't be long for this one to become law and most children will be getting an HPV shot before the age of five.
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The video was made by Jefferey Jaxen for the organization factsonvax.com and was published on youtube 5/13/16
Thank you very much for this information.
I wonder if it would make sense to simply lie and say yes, I got a shot at Walgreens.
I would still, to be safe, write that on any consent forms. But yes, I will start lying, which will only work until medicare fo all. becomes law of the land and we are truly sunk medically.
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Wow, literally why I was just talking about in my comment on my post. This is just so heartbreaking and sadly more and more common.
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This is scary. My husband just had a general for a surgery and he does NOT get flu shots due to his immune system. Now I wonder....
General anaesthetics are going to pound the immune system anyway, so anyone who has a problem with immunity needs to take measures to counteract the effects of anaesthetics.
If he's over 65, he got the pneumoccocal vaccine too.
Some folk may be surprised when I say I don't have an issue with vaccines.
What I do have an issue with is consent.
At the end of the day, a vaccine is only going to be as effective as the robustness of the individual's immune system. Herd immunity is a myth (ok, maybe not so much a myth, as grossly exaggerated).
Going against someone's consent to a medical procedure is far more serious than choosing to build a robust immune system through appropriate diet, exercise, lifestyle management, etc.
That's simply horrific, I'm sorry that this happened.
I mostly agree, although I do think many of the vaccines are more harmful than beneficial. And I know a healthy immune system is better able to fight normal illnesses (flu) better than any vaccine can offer protection from them.
My children had all the mandatory vaccinations. When I was bit by a feral cat, I got the rabies vaccine, and my pets are vaccinated for rabies. Like you, I think there is a place for vaccines. It's the mandatory, the sneaky, that is the scariest part of this. But if you do not want one or more of them, you should not be forced to have them, and most certainly the medical profession should not be sneaking them in against your wishes.
Just wow. I can't believe it's gotten to the point where they do that, but at the same time it doesn't surprise me. I am like many others in that I think Western medicine definitely has it's place, however not to the level of making this kind of decision for you. I'm sorry your son has experienced that! 💚
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Western medicine is on a rapid downward slide in quality. Informed consent is no longer a thing, and the patient is offered one and only one treatment. There are no options, you either accept the currently accepted standard treatment for a given condition, or you are given the boot by the doctor. Most people blame this on the insurance companies. I think we are all to blame.
You absolutely have a point in that we all have a hand in what is wrong, and also in trying to make it right. I have a dear friend who takes her young child to the doctor every time she has a sniffle. That sweet little angel has probably had more antibiotics in her 3 years of life than I have had in my 37. But my friend just trusts that the doctors do what is right and that they know what is best! I try not to judge as I am not a mother myself, but try to educate her on ways to boost both of their immune systems with more natural methods. That's one of the reasons why I adore the NM community--I am always learning something new in how to keep myself and loved ones that much healthier with the remedies found right around us.
Yes! There is so much we have forgotten, been encouraged to unlearn and replace faith in ourselves with faith in dubious medical science. Unfortunately, that we rely solely on the dubious science is fast becoming law! And a whole lot of people think that is just fine. I love NM too, they are doing a very necessary service for us, creating a storehouse of knowledge that will help get us throught whatever is coming.
You’ve been visited by @porters on behalf of Natural Medicine. I am so sorry to hear about your sons condition and that he had to undergo those medical procedures! That is really worrisome that they can vaccinate you and who knows what else, when you are under anesthetic and signed a consent form. I do appreciate the heads up and way to rectify that! It's things like this that lowers my level of trust in the medical system!
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Thank you! I appreciate your thinking this qualifies as a NM post. I'm still not sure what is and what isn't, and have become a bit reticent to use the tag, which I think is probably the point. NM is doing such an important task compiling information that gives us the tools to heal ourselves all in one place. Thanks for doing the work!
It totally is an NM post. I understand you might be confused, but basically if you have a look at all the tags on the site. Resteeming it now.
This makes me sick!! All that talk about free will and right of choice and such! I often fear for my grandchildren and the world we leave for them. So many hidden agendas that are harder to fight against than the obvious aggressions and oppressions.
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I live in New York State and it is getting ridiculous to live here. Been a Democrat my entire life, and now I want to move to a Republican State, where I think our children will have a few more years of freedom than in blue states. Tennessee is on my radar.
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Damn hard to trust doctors all round but i do believe in natural herbal medicines. Tough way to go glad his doing better.
I have now lost all trust and respect for the profession, and I had precious little before this. I find the older a doctor is, the more I like them. The younger doctors must be avoided, they seem to have been taught to have no genuine respect for the patient, and expect patients to just do as they are told.
You are certainly right about that the old school you can trust these young doctors.... here have a bottle of these pills and a injection and get out of my face i am busy socializing or playing games on my mobile...sadly it has truly come to that 😒
Surely this is unethical even if you had signed the forms?
Misinformation can be claimed no?
What a shock to read about this.
All strength to your son my friend!
That is absolutely shitty, especially as you were so clear about the 'no'. I am totally opposed to flu shots, and it's totally unfair that they did that. All your hard work isn't in vain, though, as can you imagine if you had totally given over to WM the whole time, which you haven't. Much love to you. Keep up the good fight.
This infuriates me. Thank you for putting it out there for others to know. I'm sorry this happened to you and your son!! I'd look into getting a lawyer to see if something could be done despite him signing the consent form. There may be some loophole about the verbiage.
Oh goodness no! Been there done that! Suing someone is a waste of time and energy and you are damn lucky if you get any money - the lawyers get more than you do. It's gambling. I'm over it.
He has suffered so many long term effects that my primary hope is to get my son well again. Anything else just takes my time away from that.
But I do want people to know about this. It's a clue - how many other times are they pulling the wool over our eyes LEGALLY because our legislators are on the take? Big Pharma and Obama (whom I voted for. Twice. And Clinton too) are to blame for this travesty, not the nurse who stuck it in his arm and didn't even leave a bandaid as a trace.
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I told my kids about this and we are all going to make sure that we write "no Vaccinations" on the form. Not sure that they will care - but... we shall try. And try to avoid to be in that situation to begin with.
It really frightens me that they do something like this when we are unconscious! What else are they doing to us? I turned down a colonoscopy yesterday, and have instructed my daughters to do so as well. Unfortunately, my son is so sick these precedures are unavoidable if he needs care - they seem to be the only thing gastroenterologists know how to use to diagnose anything. Sticking things in and irradiation. I wish I had never gotten started with them. I'm pretty sure he and one of my daughters (also diagnosed vry young) would be much healthier if we had stayed away from them. My eldest daughter (who had her vaccines much later than the other two because her pediatrician was cautious) was diagnosed at age 19, went straight to diet and lifestyle changes, and has not had further problems. She refuses to get another colonoscopy. I'm running my own study here, and I'm the control group.
Modern medicine has done so much damage - they can do good as well, but until they get to the point of realizing that meds aren't everything and work with the whole being instead of with a symptom, we are in a big mess.
And they used to sterilize women (of color and native American) without their knowledge. This has been going on for a long time!
Exactly. I am sure the activity has not stopped. And this one was written into so-called healthcare law to make it legal. We need to stop thinking our departments of health are working for us.
Or any departments for that matter.
That said, I am sure that many of the "laws" are done with good intention - someone thinking they know better what is good for us. And I am not totally against laws since people seldom do the right thing if they can get away with more profitable or more self-serving things. But I don't like anyone to be so deep in my business...
Do I dare ask "why not" the colonoscopy...? I had one at age 50. Husband's had two now, one every five years, due to having polyps removed after the first one. Second time, he got a clean bill of health.
Because they are highly unpleasant experiences that waste two or three days of my life and I feel no need for one. For my kids, who all have crohn's disease, I have found colonoscopies trigger crohn's flares. Stay away from doctors and their sadistic tests is my policy and I am sticking with it.
I always see this as a plot involving outside entities, government and political donors (big pharma again).
All the pressure and threats of making vaccines mandatory, (which they are basically already doing, by saying people can't go here or can't work there if they don't have all the latest vaccinations), mocks our personal freedoms.
IMO, people should always have the final say on their health (or any other) decisions, and how they choose to take care of themselves or not take care of themselves.
I think the pressure is ridiculous and insulting. Those sure that the vaccines are great have nothing to fear from those who don't want the vaccines, because if the vaccines are so great, eventually the disease will just affect those who didn't want them.
They'll all die off, leaving a "perfect" disease-free world for those in the know who've never failed to get their mandatory vaccines. It will serve them right!
To each his own - that's freedom!
hahaha. the joke will be on them, because our immune systems will be much stronger and they are the ones who will die off either from disease or heavy metal contamination.
The medical machine, direct descendant of WWII eugenicists, is experimenting on us Littles. The upper honchos probably don't vaccinate their own children.
How true! Maybe the upper honchos have vaccines just for them that don't have the harmful crap in them that the peasants get?
I am told Bill Gates does not vaccinate his own children, but pushes vaccinations on children in third world countries big time. I'm sure there are others. I'm not sure how they are getting around mandatory vaccinations, but big money can do anything.
I've heard that Bill Gates is a proponent of reducing the number of people living on planet earth. What nerve - a common two-bit thief who stole DOS from IBM to become a billionaire. Perhaps he should strongly consider starting to reduce the number of people on earth by sacrificing himself?
Bill Gates pisses me off twice every day when the stupid thing comes up on my pc telling me that I'm not running genuine windows, even though I am running genuine, PAID-FOR windows! I put the blame squarely on him and no one else. :)
Howdy owasco! Man, that is sucky. You try so hard to keep his intake clean and they give him those crappy shots. This is great information though, thanks for this post!