Bernie we use a product called Permethrin we lightly soak our outdoor clothing with it. Then after it dries we wear it. It lasts for 6 weeks or 6 washings. I dont get one bite if I am wearing my outdoor gear sprayed with it.
We only use deet on the exposed areas. You are right about the natural sprays they just don't work.
I love to be in the woods. I have my own small forest its sweet
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