I hear you.
However, sometimes the simplest solution is the best. Just don't try to get these women. Search for women who don't participate in the regular dating market. Don't use Tinder, don't go to clubs, don't go out. (Unless you want to be a player.) And if you do manage to get one of those girls, chances are high you will waste your time.
Hit on women you meet through friends, work or random activities.
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I work extremely broad game. I will cold approach at the gym. I workout at a small University track. I play open gym volleyball. I have joined hiking groups. I cold approach at grocery stores. I'm on the dating apps.
What I have found is that it's always the same essentially. I feel like the guys that sort of worked this church game / high school sweetheart game had a bit of a runways but there is high divorce rate there as well once the women get a few years older and oftentimes the guys lost all frame and had no power in the relationship.
I think that's the really big caveat. 95% of these guys in a marriage have no power and are getting NO CHEEKS π€£ππ
The bar / club scene has imploded here because there was no success for guys in those venues.
Up in Canada women looked at me with way more interest. I had elevated traction up there an the women were way hotter. Same thing in Australia.
I would be better off in those places.
Personally I think I would be even better off in countries like Poland or Croatia but I won't know until I would go there.
What countries do you feel like you have gotten the most respect in?
I don't travel. I live in Estonia.
I never had luck with Tinder/bars. Girls think they are 5 points above their actual worth and ofc they have more options than they deserve. I even downgraded my own standards sometimes. I wish I could take back those decisions, lol, life.
I found my current girl randomly through a paid photoshoot.
That's interesting you are saying that about Estonia. Because that's how it is here. I just have this idea though that Estonian women are way hotter than American women. A lot of these American women are overweight.
That is good you got a girl over there.
Over here it is so flighty. Women are getting insane amounts of attention and so if you can't strike while the iron is hot you can fall out of the fold real quick. Also a lot of women make more money than men here because of Diversity and Inclusion Hiring