I think communities should be understanding with newbies, but they may also see a lot of very deliberate abuse. That can wear you down. I saw a case just yesterday where someone had copied a whole post from 'the other chain' and posted it as their introduction. It got some nice votes. Then the actual creator posted it themselves. Some good people investigated and we eventually resolved the issue. This sort of thing is happening all the time.
The rewards of Hive make it different to other platforms. We do not want abuse to be rewarded, but people will come here desperate to earn something and may break the 'rules' unintentionally. It can be hard to tell if they meant to or not. In some cases they may be previous users who created another account. It can be suspicious when they seem to know all about which tags and communities to use from the start, but maybe a friend educated them.
I do not want to drive good people away. We really do need them and so we have to find the right balance. I will only get out my pitchfork when I see it as really necessary.
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I agree with you, understanding is key. And I hope 'not getting worn down' is something people aspire to, but I totally understand it can happen. It's great that you shared an example of an investigation that reached a resolution.
A few people in the comments here raised the issue of Hive's rewards playing a key role, but each time someone else pointed out that other social platforms have tons of money-making earners on them, equally subject to plagiaristic-scrutiny, so Hive's rewards may play a role, but it's not clear to me how relevant it is. Either way, your point about how tricky it is to tell a poster's intentions does seem to apply, so great insight there.
This is excellent and what I was hoping to hear, and from what I've seen so far, you do well with that personally, so thank you, and please keep up the great work. Thanks for the pizza, and wishing you a great day! 🙏
Most other sites that pay require you to build a big following and you will probably get manually checked out. On Hive anyone can earn and it's down to the community to check what is fake. I have been part of anti-abuse efforts for a long time and you can get all sorts of threats. We had a recent case of someone who was very reluctant to verify that they owned the videos they posted until we sent some downvotes. Some of those were removed after verification. Some people want the rewards, but do not want to publicise Hive. They may not make much if that is the case.
If/when we get millions of users then checking for abuse will be harder. I think it is worth paying people via proprosals to do it.
I understand and appreciate your perspective and contribution as someone who's part of anti-abuse efforts. Indeed, bad apples and people who want to take advantage exist, and I'm grateful for most well-thought-out efforts to curb that. Paying for a moderation team is certainly one option that may be worth exploring. I guess we'll see what happens as time goes on. :) 🙏
I just think that many people do not appreciate the scale of the abuse problem as they may not see much. Sometimes people will get flagged in error and then we have to deal with that in a reasonable way. I get fed up with those who say it's the end of the world if they lose some potential rewards (not final until 7 days). Seen too many threaten to leave to get attention.
Totally understandable. I imagine it's quite a large-scale issue, and I'm happy you find ways to deal with false-positives reasonably. And yes some people have a persecution-complex, or feel unjustly entitled, or become attention-seekers, unfortunately. 🙏
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The whales are part of the problems, but there are only a few of them. The thousands of regular Hivers can be doing stuff to help matters. No system is perfect, but we can try to make it better. Too many people are waiting for others to fix it.
We can't necessarily do much about how the whales act, but that does not mean our efforts are worthless. We have rogue whale ranchorelaxo/haejin trolling Hive and have to live with that. Other whales are trying to deal with the very real abuse of the platform. But people are imperfect and will have feuds that spoil the party. Remember that we have less downvotes than upvotes and so the overall effects ought to be positive.
when all the newbz GTFO, the whales will be stuck with a pile of worthless tokens
A lot depends on how the rest of us treat newbies. Very few will get noticed by a whale, but they could still be made welcome.
well stated