Had a few interesting conversations with a few hivers today.
The discussion came up that we're "bleeding" users or that we're not maintaining population replacement rate, which I assumed means we're losing more active users than new active ones joining. I just noticed a new one who had joined and commented on a post of mine, now if they're really new or just on a new account is anyone's guess. :P That's one of the tricky things about Hive, maybe I'm talking to the same person in my comment section even though there's 20 unique usernames at times.
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if we may be losing users. Hive is kind of unique in many ways and many are motivated by the earnings rather than the Hive they earn. What I mean is that they mainly care about the value amount rather than how much stake they can build before inflation drops and it gets harder to earn it the same way they may earn it now.
I'd be lying if I said these prices don't weigh on you, not that I'm really in a rush to sell hive for fiat or to buy shiny things, but I could definitely use more value to continue building one of my projects which requires it. For a long time now I've been at a place where I've felt the price of hive is too low to lock it up in my projects as everything that matters there is fiat value, because naturally people working on it (although maybe not all) aren't really looking for a long term investment and happy to receive 60% less value because Hive might 3x from here in the near future. It'd be delusional to expect that, similar like how people with active proposals aren't expecting to get 3x less pay just becase hive dipped from 30 cents to 9.
To get back on topic, yes we might lose some users here and there but it's important that we keep new users joining, because one thing that many forget is that, while account creation is kind of a barrier and a hassle at times, it leads to making sure those users store their keys and "have them" (at least most of them who are careful and thoughtful enough). This means that they can come back whenever they feel like or if Hive lures them back somehow in the future, either through word of mouth - the same way they may have been onboarded - or because Hive is in the news or doing well in terms of price action or a new shiny dapp appeared that got them to come back through other paths.
I don't remember who posted about this, but way back when the former name of Hive did well and there was a long queue waiting for a free account from the company that shall also not be named, there were some stats posted about returning users. They weren't numbers to joke with, either. You could also notice it in terms of engagement as I was posting the way I may be doing now, more often, you'd see familiar usernames you hadn't seen in a while pop up in your comment section and you'd welcome them with a response, vote on the comment or a quick checkup on their active posts. It was funny how most of them did the whole "I need to come up with an excuse as to why I was gone up until now that the price pumped".
I figure there's going to be a lot of these "temporary" users who only show up when things are going great then sneak back into the ether during times like these. It also makes me think way back when I was one of the few interested in crypto and Bitcoin pumped to $1000-1100k for the first time. So many people left the scene as it dwindled back to $200 or so, some clever ones returned at that price point and bought back in but I can tell you a majority didn't. It's kind of the same here, I've seen a few people come back and buy back hive and stake it for the long term with a lot of people staying active and keep building and stacking, while many others, or should I say a majority, you won't see until things turn around.
There's also people who may be forced to sell now or think hive may drop lower back into the haircut ratio so they're hoping to double or at least increase the total amount of hive they have by selling now - I personally wouldn't risk it - but that's understandable too. Many who just may be forced to sell due to economic reasons, knowing a large portion of our active userbase is from developing nations it's not difficult to understand that some can't keep holding hive even if they wanted to and are starting to realize, at least maybe after the recent hardfork, that hive isn't coming back as easily as it used to. Inflation is slowly dropping.
Naturally, those who will mainly benefit from this are those who know when to sell - I'm not one of them, unfortunately, maybe cause I'm too married to Hive and wish the sky for it rather than taking some profit here and there for darker times, I just keep hoping the day will come when we go up and then stay there to give projects and stakeholders some breathing room and time to shine. The other ones who will benefit are those who hold and have the means to buy more here and put it to good use - i.e. staking and curating so they dilute the traders who only keep liquid hive on exchanges. Now this is only possible of course if you believe hive is going to do well long term.
Of course there's other things as well, even though you may believe Hive will do well, you may think that it's not going to do as well as some other coins or that when it starts doing well you're here and aware with your finger on the pulse to be able to get back into it before it's too late and it takes off.
We still have long ways to go, as Vitalik tweeted recently, most other chains it's all just defi trading/investing and gambling, very little real utility and unique usecases that set web2 and web3 apart are to be found there. Something Hive definitely doesn't lack but could come up with new things. Inflation is set to keep being reduced every 250k blocks or ~9 days by 0.01% until it reaches 0.95% in 10 years or so. I do wonder all the things how we'll be using the rewards pool by then and how much of the daily voting power will be used for shitposts like these or short form content compared to all the other things we may have come up by then that the community deems acceptable to be used. Also how much harder it may be to earn hive by then, not just cause inflation is on the low side but also cause there will hopefully be a lot more users competing for votes.
My own personal goal is to have a few projects I believe will continue to live long and prosper and at the same time be a net positive for the ecosystem and hopefully I'll be able to get to my hive goals in time before the next decade to enjoy some nice passive rewards I can hand over to future generations of shitposters.
Have you noticed any active users go missing lately?
Why do you think they're gone?
I relate to a lot of this. Lately the frustration for me goes beyond price action. There is a growing feeling that Hive is less decentralized in practice than it is in theory. A lot of meaningful decisions still seem to be shaped by a very small number of large stakeholders. Even sitting at orca level, I often feel pretty powerless, which makes me wonder how dolphins or smaller accounts experience this system day to day.
That erosion of agency matters. It changes how invested people feel, especially when prices are down and the narrative of “build now, it pays off later” or when you join hive you are now a CEO… it all stops feeling credible.
I keep coming back to the idea that maybe Hive does not need to be for everyone. It seems we have been telling the same story for years and expecting a different outcome. What I would love to see is a small group of people who genuinely still care about HIVE get together and rethink how Hive is presented to the wider world. Less hype and trying to appeal to the masses. More leaning into the misfit side of Hive. Trying to find the people who are tired of main stream platforms and going for folks that care about owning their digital footprint and like building and being part of the weird corners of the internet.
If we keep repeating the same patterns, we should not be surprised if we keep shedding users. Breaking that cycle likely means embracing that Hive is niche, renegade, and not polite or tidy. That might be exactly what the next generation of Hiveans is looking for.
But what the fuck do I know. It’s just how i feel currently
Mm. Yeah, I feel you. The climb, even in these early days, feels pretty impossible. Part of the problem is, the whole "spend your time now and have faith" paradigm only works if you assume people have the basics of life taken care of.
Most people want to make enough to have a roof over their heads, food in their bellies, and the occasional treat. Until Hive can offer the masses this, it's not going to be a catching proposition.
Expecting newcomers to have faith in something that may or may not pay off ten years from now isn't exactly reasonable. Basically, unless you have a ton of money or talents specifically relevant to the platform (development), yeah, it's harder to make a small amount to sustain off of, let alone to save up.
I think telling people who are interested in the platform but are just barely getting by (that's most people at this point) might be turned off by "hey, just save up".
This might be part of the reason why Hive seems to be doing very well in non-western countries. The power of Hive to actually sustain these individuals and allow them to save is much, much higher.
Anyway, those are just my two cents.
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@ahmedhayat @tahastories1 and many others left hive
But it's probably because they were in Islamabad university studying BS in English. After there university ended, 90% of them gone idle. I think they were motivating eachother and after their physical connection ended, they lost interest in hive. From Pakistan, it's mostly scammers coming from steemit. A handful of known legit Pakistanis left.
Also, @ayesha-malik left after her marriage. She got busy in new life.
@amberkashif is also no where to be seen. But atleast both of them have enough stake and they will come back in future.
I lost 100s of close hive friends in this bear. Pravesh0 might also felt demotivated as he is unstaking and not posting.
In bdcommunity, I had many friends from Bangladesh. Most of them left hive completely by doing a full power down.
Now I am dearly waiting for Magi to come and make hive more interesting.
I remember all these friends you tagged here, nice folks to engage with, especially Pravesh. He doesn't show up even on discord too. There are many more I haven't been seeing around too. I just hope one day they'd find their way back here.
The reason is very simple, and it applies to all Web3 social networks. People are mainly drawn in by the idea of making money, and I think that’s fundamentally wrong. Socialization should come first — people should want to spend time online, make friends, and be part of a community. Constantly promoting earnings as the main feature won’t build a network that can truly scale. (Just my opinion.)
I fully agree. I stay around because there's cool people here(and most of them don't care about the earning part, just a bonus). It's social media first and the crypto thing is just on the side.
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You're right about that. I've seen this in 8 years that's I've been here. They come, look at the post in trending and expect to get the same results in two weeks. When that doesn't happen, they leave, move on to another platform, doing the same. Many think web3 is posting some sh*t and then banking the money. Short sighted lunatics.
And then they shout everywhere that it's a scam )))
Yeah, blaming others is what they do.
I disagree with this. The main motivator for most forms of concrete effort is money itself. We see this with all platforms that scaled, everything from Roblox to Facebook. When you're embedding money into a platform and then telling people not to think of it as an incentive, you're asking them to do doublethink. It doesn't work. Clearly the financial incentive is part of it. The only way to remove it would be to remove Hive. So then we must go in the opposite direction, and make it something that people feel they can live off (or at least supplement themselves with) or use as a savings vehicle.
The only way for that to happen is that the content has to go beyond being used just by other content creators. Think of Youtube. What if the only people watching videos were other youtube content creators? Would that be a successful platform? So it comes down to usability, attractiveness, and scale. But yeah, the financial incentive is embedded in the Hive itself. It is Hive.
But that doesn't have to be the only reason to be on HIVE
I believe that many of those who have left in recent months are for your reasons, many like @dlmmqb message are for other reasons outside the blockchain but the important thing is to have staking, if you unstake you want to abandon what you love, and that perhaps you don't love enough, especially if you do it now, you think there is no future and this shows that you don't believe in the power of this blockchain, I discovered it thanks to @libertycrypto27 when it was still Steemit I was little, 15 years old and I didn't get in there, I got in the following year with HIVE and it was the best choice of my life, those who leave now are only a positive thing, only those who believe in it remain and we can relate and create a community as we like and as you said!
Recently, two of my friends have left the platform, unstaked and gone their own ways. One of them has been accepted for the scholarship in China, and the other one said it's boring. We had a long talk and in the end, all I said was "as you wish". However, another one of mine has recently joined, so I think this come and go is part of this platform or every other.
Moreover, I am here for a long long long term. Although, I have been lowkey since Christmas, primarily because of my job and university workload. So, I cannot say much about others but the interaction has been quite low especially for the 'Waves'. So maybe...
Let's see what the future beholds.
Peace 🕊
I saw that some good ones are gone, but one lady is back this year. She was taking a break but didn't give up on us :) But… question… what's the point of making a new profile if the old one is already big? People know you, you have a lot of connections… why would they do that? I'm confused 😂 Also… why should I sell Hive? If my Hive power is high, that means I have a bigger vote, and we can support more people. Over the last few weeks, I’ve noticed a few new users, but I still have a feeling something's not right… I mean, if you've been on Hive for more than a month, it's impossible to have level 25, right? It’s a level, or? 😂 And… some people don't use Hive for the same reasons we do…
P.s. you used a very powerful sentence… live long and prosper (I’m showing the hand sign like Spock) 😂 🖖
Haha yeah I'm not really a star trek watcher but it kind of fit well there so I went with it.
I guess some people like to "restart" their hive career cause they may have been bad actors in the past and ruined their reputation in one way or another, or maybe they realize they don't wanna be doxxed on chain or the other way around, dunno, could be many reasons!
I didn't think in this way…bad reputation…. but it's logical, as Spock would say... yeah, big fan of Star Trek here 😌 I can also say one reason why some of the active users leave… they come and think they can make millions in a month, without connecting or writing articles that actually have no point. Then they get disappointed and leave. We were all building our accounts... still are... unfortunately, some of them don't understand that there is no shortcut... sad. Thanks for the article…it was necessary for some people to read that... I hope they did.
I'm not even sure I'm qualified to answer this, especially if we look at my wallet, where things have been hovering around 150–200$ for the past two years, despite the fact that my activity has increased a lot over the last six months. The more active I am, the worse the HIVE price seems to get. 😄
But I'm still here, I'm having fun, I don't use any other social networks and hive is like a kind of virtual diary for me. Plus, I get to read interesting things and meet great people. That's more than enough reason for me to stay active.
As for users who used to be active but don't post anymore, I know about one woman who had a great blog and received strong upvotes, but I think she stopped writing because of issues with her keys (basically, someone else has access to them, she doesn't). That really sucks and I assume it's a problem that's hard to solve. :/
You really hit the nail on the head. For me, Hive is first and foremost a virtual diary. That’s what I believe can truly attract people in today’s world. Data preservation, the fact that your account can’t simply be shut down, and the guarantee that your records can remain available for decades — that’s the real value. These are exactly the things that would catch my attention today and keep me on a platform.
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Yeah that is true for the blogging Apps like PeakD and Ecency. But we also have Snapie, which is great for X/Twitter like content and we used to be quite a gaming chain.
I haven't tried this app yet because it requires entering keys. I'd like to use Hive Keychain, but I don't know how to do that.
I've logged into this app—I'll try it out now. Can someone tell me: will a Snapie post appear in all frontends? Should I create a new account for it?
As far as I understood it will appear within Snapie only to read but the comments and votes are also visible in Ecency etc. That’s because Snapie used this post container structure that Leo Threads and Ecency Waves use as well.
I have logged in with my normal Hive Account. Works fine so far.
I managed to upload a video from my second idle account – awesome. Thanks for the tip – I somehow missed it.
https://peakd.com/@travelssteem/snaps
I haven't tried Snapie yet. At the beginning I only used DBuzz, and that's actually how I ended up here.
Do you think being active on Snapie, since it supports a short status format, affects your profile's reputation in a good or bad way in general? :D Or does it affect it at all?
I think it counts toward Reputation.
I like to think the same way you described @russia-btc 😍, but then a random thought just pops into my head that there' going to be some kind of movie style apocalypse and all of this will disappear. Then there's no web3 or even web2 left (: ... but yeah, that's just my imagination running wild from watching too many movies and series on that topic. xD
This means you're crashing the market dear @bibana 😂🤣
Ok, jokes aside, I've been in your shoes, my stake has been growing and the USDT value of it has been growing in a different direction, but it is what it is.
As about who is qualified to answer ans who isn't, everyone is qualified.
You descried what Hive is, perfectly! I'm glad you're here and carry on, keep up the good work! We need more people like you! 🤗💚
Hihihi, I like the way you look at it. I'm totally stealing that. 😅
And thank you so much for these kind words and all the support. You, the few of you I could count on my both hands fingers, create such a wonderful atmosphere here, and it's no wonder someone would want to be part of it. 😍
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it's the same with splinterlands, during 2021 people would brag how you would make hundreds of $ a day by playing and that attracted masses, now most of the players are gone
people are attracted by earn and money, you can bet all the stake if hive goes back to 0,50$ a lot would return...
i see lot of new users giving up after a while, maybe they expect to always get big upvotes? maybe they get upset to get bad votes and see other crap getting lot of votes? no idea really
Many come for the Money and some stay because of the Fun. But the majority wants great apps. Splinterlands was one but they messed it up with their tokenomics and getting to complicated. My view.
What we need is more such Apps, that people love to use and often not even knowing they are using Hive Blockchain. Snapie has some potential in that direction. Shorts are big trend. We will see.
But we need something unique... Why people should use the niche snapie when you have established Twitter or bluesky? Or many others
i mean one reason is that anyone can earn on snapie vs twitter that just keep raising the bar to start earning adrevenue
I'm sure some who have kept trying to reach that goal are eventually going to give up when they understand they don't want everyone to earn, just the top 1%
True. X/Twitter 2.0 probably won’t do. Was meant more as an example for an easy to use App on Hive that has use case. Though competing with the ones like X will be very hard. Although Signal is an example which was able tp hrab quite some market share from the huge Whatsapp with better privacy features and Open Source.
I think bring fun to hive, bring memes here, let ppl have fun could bring ppl log in every day to get a smile.
Thats what i want for hive. PPl have fun and a good time. This strengthens the community in a long run.
Besides harmful content ( scams, illegal shit and so on) we should welcome all ppl that want to be here.
Maybe is a good time to rethink how to handle some things. Maybe new ideas about display content, show trending on frontends ( they need to decide for themselves).
Rethink downvotes on pure "disagreement of content". Make it more a protective sword of protection against scams ( other platforms will die on the AI scam shit in a long run).
Anyway i know I am not liked by a lot of Content police people. But at the end, i am still hanging around here and hope hive becomes something good in the future.
The tool of freedom.
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They will come back when the markets start to get more green. We have seen it over over again through the cycles. Now, if the four year cycle is a thing of the past like some suggest, that could be a different story...
It is a thing of the past, charts prove it. And you're right, we've seen so many come back and put pedal to the metal, hoping to get rich in a month or two, because the market price of $HIVE has been up and expecting those who've never left, to support them.
Yes, as long as we can't verify who's behind the account, this is a mystery. However, looking at the onboarding numbers blindly and taking them at face value is not the best thing to do. We know some people are creating accounts like there's no tomorrow, hoping to automate posting and get rewarded. these accounts can't keep up their activity and thus, the bubble will burst at some point.
It's possible to benefit from price fluctuations, but you have to know the levels and even so, it's extremely difficult and risky. $HIVE is an illiquid asset, swings in both directions are crazy. However, it's still a possibility to have a decent stake on exchanges and play the game.
I message some of the users I'm in contact with, if I see them inactive, but at the end of the day, being here every day is a luxury for most. We all have our lives and duties and we need breaks as well :)
Bullseye.
For sure if hive tomorrow goes to at least more 10 cents of value all of them will be back. The problem was always the onboarding with promising in getting money in exchange of posting. I think onboarders failed a bit on that, I only don't include myself in here because none of my onboarding strategies worked with friends and family. I know how it is hard to onboard, but people come with expectation of earning $$$ not HIVE =p
People who disappear are those who join with the idea of making money by posting, and when a post doesn't get the votes they expected, they get disappointed and stop posting. I don't criticize them for joining with that idea, but they need to learn that they don't just earn money by posting; there are different ways. In my case, sometimes my disappearance is due to lack of time, but when I return, I come back stronger. We must teach these users and motivate them to stay... There are several ideas that could keep the focus on #hive; we just need to get more creative to keep everyone's attention.
We're definitely losing a lot of active users. I remember before, curating Filipino users are quite easy because they have a lot of them here but now there's only a few left. But some of those who disappeared are students, some are newly graduate I think and maybe they get so busy in the real world or something.. 🫠
I think I've noticed some decent new users appear here and there. Whether they stay or not remains to be seen but I think for every 1 that leaves, permanently or temporarily, 1 or 2 joins that ends up being good people. It's not necessarily a balance, because it would be nice if it was 3 or 4 join that are great but the people I've spent time with here are on the newer side, and I am pretty glad to say they stuck through some challenges but are on the other side still!
they'll come back. when hive value goes up. 😆
My Impression is that indeed there is less activity here on Hive compared to 1-2 years ago. There used to be of course much more Splinterlands posts but also more posts about $HIVE itself. You can also see the decreasing active userbase in the monthly stats by @arcange.
I am still here since I love the chain, the blogging, the interaction with my community here and stacking HP to climb up the ladder.
Hive on!
Thomas
I haven't seen many people who aren't active here. And I think I am one of them, but only in terms of posting; I can only write once in a while because my signal in our province is intermittent, but I still read blogs and leave comment as well. I'm just not sure what their reason is for others.
Greetings friend, what does this mean I don't understand? Inflation is set to keep being reduced every 250k blocks or ~9 days by 0.01% until it reaches 0.95% in 10 years or so
If you don't count HBD conversions, for instance HBD coming from the DHF that people may convert to hive and increase inflation that way, the rewards pool is meant to shrink over time. In 10 years the yearly inflation is going to drop down to under 1%, meaning that if we have 1 billion hive tokens by then, then there's only going to be 10 million hive per year, while currently there's a lot more than that being printed yearly.
I.e. the amount of hive that goes out as rewards to authors, curators, witnesses, etc, is constantly going down as a rule of the blockchain.
But I don't understand something: if we haven't reached that point yet and there's a user crisis due to Hive's price, does that mean there will be fewer users in 10 years, considering that the vast majority of us are looking for rewards? It's not that I'm very well rewarded, and yet I'm still on Hive, but I think it would be difficult in 10 years to be here and find it almost impossible to get rewards. Do you see what I mean?
Just because less hive is going out doesn't mean it means less rewards, depends on the price of hive, but it's normal for token emmittance to drop over time, same happens with bitcoin for example. But yes generally now and until we get closer to 0.95% is probably the best time to earn hive, especially with few authors competing for it, those who come later will have to be okay with getting hbd and less hive
I understand now. It's great that I'm in the right place at the right time to get Hive and be able to buy it at a relatively low price. Thanks for the explanation.
As long as we remain on Markymark's blacklist and any benefit is taken away by buildawhale or freebornsociety with a series of negative votes, there's no point in publishing on Hive again. What's the point?
maybe you shouldn't have gotten yourself blacklisted to begin with?
It's funny how abusers never tell the full story but act like a victim everywhere
Maybe if they explained why we're on that list, it would help a lot, friend. Marky never answered my messages, and even through Freebornsociety (who replied to one of my posts), they didn't clarify what I did wrong or how to fix it. They just gave me evasive answers and told me I should open another account.
Why am I on that list? I don't know. I don't consider my posts to be spam, I never offended anyone, I never committed any fraud. I'm simply on that list, and that's all.
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It is obvious that many people here are, or were, money-centered.
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WTF?! I brought in like 3 whole people! Where the hell did they go?
too soon for that novelty account I'm afraid
I’m happy that someone is talking about this thing, honestly for third-party reasons I had to disappear and also leave many projects behind, and thinking back on it really makes my heart ache. Unfortunately an 18-year-old kid couldn’t keep up with it, and now that I’m 21 I think I can try to find some balance, and I take full responsibility for my immaturity for what I did in the past.
Anyway, I came back now that I saw the lowest price because I’ve been through it and I understood that the best moment to come back is this one, not to make money now but because it’s in the desert that water has the most value and if you find a river in the desert then you reach the sea.
After this particular metaphor, I also believe that short content is a huge pile of bullshit and doesn’t help the community at all, I’m using a strong term, it helps for fucking nothing, it’s just the shit from Twitter that we see every day that doesn’t work and we didn’t copy a fucking thing from the only short content that works, which is TikTok… But whatever, I don’t even believe that one is useful.
We have to create something that makes people understand how strong HIVE is, how it’s the only reality that allows HIVE to be better than Solana, than Binance, than TRON, than all these blockchains that make you want to vomit and that have no fucking useful use and are just copies of one another and are only used to speculate. I see in HIVE a potential, a way where even in IRAN, where people have no possibility to say what they want, HIVE gives them the chance to emerge, all you need is an internet connection and a phone, and it’s not the earnings from posts, it’s what HIVE can give, the freedom it can give that no social network will ever be able to give!
There are negative sides for sure, like that a pedophile or a person who deals drugs will always be able to publish whatever they want, but I believe that Hive, with the limitation of posts through dapps, is on the right path, and then I’m making a broader point: these problems are real and they are right there in front of us and I decree that evil must be fought not by hiding it but by educating it.
Sorry if I went a bit off topic but I opened the page of today’s most viewed posts and it was exactly what I wanted to read.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU WROTE! <3
I'm still on Hive, my friend, not as consistently due to work, but I'm building a future on the platform. I believe Hive has a lot of potential. Later on, when I can, my goal is to invest Meanwhile, I'll continue growing and writing on my blog.
You asked
It took about 8 hours lol. I wanted to make a chart to see if we are indeed losing users. I was also very curious to see how price movements affected how many active users we have. (Turns out a lot! To be expected, honestly...)
I made a post about it with some insights and explanations
https://peakd.com/hive-148441/@cryptosharon/interactive-historic-weekly-active-users-since-2016-until-today-static
Here's the chart:
https://hive-stats-sable.vercel.app/
Long story short, though... yeah, we have fewer users than when the price was similarly low around 2019.