Sure man, i get your pain, and it was a fucked up thing that happened.
But going after the users isn't the solution. Only creates more problems.
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Sure man, i get your pain, and it was a fucked up thing that happened.
But going after the users isn't the solution. Only creates more problems.
How about this? You are free to post wherever you like, and I am free to vote on whoever I like. Everyone has freedom.
Never questioned that my friend.
And also @arcange is free to support (or not) whoever he want.
But do you really think this kind of threath to flag users using both platform will make them choose HIVE over Steem?
As far as i know, a cryptocurrency project and/or social platform is only as valuable as many people accept it and use it, so actions to drive people away won't help HIVE grow.
As i said, i understand you and the others pain, but those that have a big influence in this place (specially witness) must start to separate their personal gains/losses from what will make this blockchain grow.
Or else, it will be only downhill, and Steem could even win in the end.
You and other witness are what we could call "public figures", and should act as such, and not put your personal feelings on the mix.
Witness are expected to act to secure and make the project grow, and that is why they are elected (at least that should be the main reason.
So, it is your job to think about what can happen with the image and long-term grow of HIVE when doing actions like this.
Putting users on a public 'black list' is branding them as some kind of criminal that is doing some kind of damage.
Which is not the case of these users. (Unless they are doing shitty stuff like spamming and vote-farming. But we already have some of these around)
You can stop with the "I get your pain" bullshit. No, you don't get it at all.
I was robbed of 40K usd. This is not a personal feeling; this is a cold hard fact. You are attempting to reduce that serious felony of a crime to just some hurt feelings. That shows that you don't get it at all.
Both arcange and I are free to vote on whoever we like. And we are free to create a list to make this easier. I don't plan on flagging anyone for this reason, but flagging is another freedom that everyone has, including you.
So, you disagree with me, and downvote? nice move.
Very anti-censorship...
You should direct your anger and aggression toward those responsible about it, and not to people who try to show another perspective.
Your anger against Steem is stoping you to understand the whole point of this conversation.
It's not about proving who is the criminal, this has already been clearly established.
But about directing the punishment toward those that had nothing to do with the fact.
So, one last time. I don't care how you use your stake.
But since you and @arcange are elected representatives of the community, your actions have a reflection on the direction HIVE as a platform will go.
So, if you or any other witness use your stake to start flagging people for the sole reason of using another platform, well... That doesn't make things look very good on the future.
Therefore, why would anyone put money in a place where the main representatives of that place are pulling shit like that, regardless of the impact of these actions, and for personal reasons (no matter if the reasons are valid or not)?
Come on. You are a business man. Think like one.
Going after the users of fucked up mechanisms is certainly an effective means of opposing fucked up systems. Use slavery as an example of the principles involved.
Would you similarly recommend not targeting slave owners because you oppose slavery?
Steem is a totalitarian government. Participating on Steem supports that government, which you have a right to do - but is not free from consequences. One of those consequences is that free, rational people will oppose you if you do.
Count on it.
There's no relation in your analogy; a slave owner doesn't equate a writer on a blogging platform. You are only using this example to corner the argument around an irrefutable fact ― nobody will disagree with targeting slave owners.
I agree.
Participating is not necessarily linked to supporting. I propose the following approach.
China is a totalitarian government. Should we target EVERY Chinese people for participating in China's environment?
One can participate on a certain environment without supporting it; an active supporter needs to vote for authoritarian governance ― which is not the case for most users.
Do the Chinese have a choice? No? A bit different than Steem, eh?
The only thing that gives Steem any value is it's community. Therefore I am unhappy that any folks hereabouts continue to be part of that community. I haven't finished powering down yet, but I'm willing to lose every satoshi of value of any Steem remnant to me to see Steem utterly collapse.
Society has far greater value than it's economy.
My analogy to slave owners was entirely valid, because supporting Steem is supporting Sun, and totalitarian governance. Supporting either party is equally abhorrent and contrary to human rights. That you do not grasp that is disconcerting to me.
Are you a Communist or something? Don't human rights have far greater value than a few satoshis?
They do to me.
Your question deviates from the point I'm trying to make. But, my answer is yes, they are allowed to immigrate.
Now address mine.
China is a totalitarian government. Should WE target EVERY Chinese people for participating in China's environment?
Participating doesn't mean supporting, and retaliating writers ― in a generalized manner ― doesn't help Hive thrive either. In fact, it makes it worse.
I agree in parts. Is the whole community voting for the autoritariam witnesses or acting as a bad witness? Or part of the community is sole interested in sharing articles and living off that?
You have all the right to be unhappy. You also have all the right to ignore people who post on various platforms, if that makes you content. As long as it doesn't involve downvoting, it's fine.
I do grasp your idea. I just pointed out that it has nothing to do with writers sharing articles. Most of the writers don't even know how governance works, they just want to share an article. No need to overthink here.
Don't get me wrong on my commentary though, it's not a personal charge against you.
Regardless of posting on Steem or not, judging a writer based on the premise that he/she might support Justin Sun does no good for the Hive community.
So instead of moving toward changing the minds of those who are indirectly benefiting from the 'slavery', we just go out and beat them up? (Since we can't punch the slave masters...)
Who do you think these people will join after that? The slave masters or those who want to free the slaves?
That's a lie.
Do what you will. Expect consequences. If you're rational you will anticipate correctly. You seem to be irrationally expecting there to be no negative consequences of unethical profiteering.
I hope you learn from the unexpected results you experience, and that gaining wisdom profits you more than losing money harms you.