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RE: Introducing Instant Voting Bot - @bdvoter with guaranteed profit for Buyer and Delegator

in #bdvoter2 years ago (edited)

Can't we just stop this bidbots thing and start manual curation? It really sucks!

People claim that it's good for investors but honestly, it is not, it just leads to corruption. Investors not only look for APR but also look how promising the project is. Steemit was really good with manual curation guys, and let the votes be natural. People are even abusing the airdrops due to this bidbot thingy.

As for delegators, there are many projects to delegate to. Consider delegating there instead of bidbots and your investment could contribute to the success of this platform.

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First of all it's not bidbot, It's Automated voting service and Our all curation steempower will delegated to @steemitbd , we giving free upvote to all bangladeshi content creator from that account.

This post has received a 12.02 % upvote from @boomerang.

Can't we just stop this bidbots thing and start manual curation?

As long as delegation is a blockchain protocol and as long as there is little incentive for voters to curate better content, bid bots will be with us and will be popular.

Expecting people to simply act “for the good of Steem/Steemit!” (whatever that means) is insane. If we are not acting in a desired manner, then there is likely not enough or no incentive to do so. If we want behavior to change, then we need to align the blockchain protocols appropriately. But few seem interested in that...or even discussing it at all.

As for delegators, there are many projects to delegate to.

Yes, there are. I’m involved with a few myself. But they don’t pay and people looking for returns shouldn’t be expected to fund projects for free while the project devs and managers make money off of them. Delegating to bid bots is easier and more lucrative than anything else, other than getting free delegation from Ned or other whales.

Steem’s misaligned incentives breeds and feeds the anti-social behavior. Expect it to continue.

I agree with most of the things you said.

In one of my comments, I talked about the APR for delegators and I suggested there that we must create some projects that could be proven as profitable as bidbots but also contribute to the success of this platform.

Our @super8ballclub project is on top of them with the highest ROI on the entire steem blockchain and we made a post where we compared the profits of Super 8 Ball Club with other major projects.

Bidbots pay all the liquid rewards to the delegators, right? It drains more voting power than the bid received. I mean, if the received bid was $100, the bid will have to vote $120 or $125 worth. It simply means that the profit of delegators is equivalent to the liquid rewards of the post after curation. (SBD/STEEM).

At @super8ballclub, we pay 'all the author SP rewards' and it means the same profit as bidbots. We give almost the same incentive as bidbots to the delegators. The only thing which makes it a bit less profitable is the broken peg of SBD. Could this mechanism be used as an example for other projects? Maybe there should be projects following this approach? or maybe they can experiment the opposite.

But the conclusion is that the profitable project exists and if anyone is looking at the "most" profitable project, it's Super 8 Ball Club. We have delegators and @tombstone is the top delegator so far. I think we need to raise some awareness among people about the profitability of our project.

How do your returns compare to the Smartsteem or tipU bots? Currently, tipU is returning ~20% annually on delegation.

Actually, the thing with bidbots is, there is always a time when people are not buying enough votes so it averages out. These sponsor reports calculate their APR each week and you'll notice different percentages each week and that's pretty natural.

As for Super 8 Ball Club, according to the last week's payout, we are giving 9% return annually. Tipu is also sharing a portion of curation rewards so it is obvious that they'll win the race but smartsteem is different (I'm not fully aware if they also give from curation rewards or not).

The point that I want to make is, projects increase the value of blockchain and improve the ecosystem overall. On the other hand, bidbots are the reason of many current problems here.

Manual curation = Efforts = Steem will moon

Voting bots = No efforts of curation = Sideway movements or downside just like it's happening currently.

However, if someone is interested to delegate a large amount of SP to @super8ballclub, I am open to discuss the profit terms with him and maybe we could arrange a share from our curation rewards too.

One last question:

How much STEEM can be earned per week from 5000 SP delegated to super8ballclub? I saw the posts, but missed/don’t remember the timeframe for the numbers provided.

Agree!! all bidbots are just spammer, can't understand why they sell votes and take curation rewards also !!? if someone sells his vote the curation rewards must go​ to the author! a vote seller​ isn't a curator!​

You brought up an interesting point which proves that bidbots owners are solely looking for profit (excluding those who delegated their own SP to their own bidbots). To be straightforward, I am sure that bot owners work so hard to keep up the quality but simply as a human, they cannot do it without poisoning the environment, the complain on the trending page is the best example.

People are rarely coming on trending without using bots and that definitely shows the current state of steemit.

yes, as steem blockchain is a proof of brain, authors put time and brain to create content, but no one can get rewarded by the blockchain itself, must someone to upvote this content (curators), and needs a curator whit a lot of steem power to get value !! so curators with a lot of steem power looking just for profit by delegating to bidbots and vote sellers systèmes!!!
i think that steem will lose the attractivity whit time if we can't find a solution for :
1- curation value based on steem power
2- bid bots
3- bid bots curation rewards

My idea :
1-community must elect curators (vote systèm like witness), a curator must read and evaluate articles daily and upvote the good ones and downvote bad content, good curators must get vote and calcification​ and reputation from the community​...
2- bid bots must guarantee​ 25 % profit for Buyers
3- bid bots can't take curation

This bot thing reminds me of how elitists make money off of money itself, it is as nonsense as IOU's not being accepted at the local store. All money is an IOU, lol. Whatever. Screw the beast! Thanks for your comment. Much love! <3

is this bid bot just the same as the thousands of others?

Or, just go automated via subscription based upvote bots. Good review here.

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