I've been a witness of what happened. I've been here since the start, and even believed in it and built around steem (see @dtube). I was in the SteemIt slack, and I've seen how the witnesses behave, how they will act a certain way in public, but a totally opposite way in private. I've seen the size of their egos, that unlike me they manage to hide when talking in public. I've been offered back-room deals
I'm not saying Ned Scott or Justin Sun are great people, they are proven not to be. I'm not saying Steem is better than Hive or trying to compare them. They still both originate from this same story, saying that they are totally different would be oblivious to the fact that they share 42 million blocks and data in common. Hive still has the witnesses who mined these common blocks. Hive is the real Steem, Steem is the network where the governance was taken over. That's the way I see it.
What I care about, is identifiable individuals running their scams in public. Those are the people I attack recently, because I want the scam to stop and I have sadly no other ways to combat them.
Now if you don't believe the 'stolen' word in my original comment, how do you explain that on steem there is only 350K SBD in the @steem.dao, despite having 0 funded projects. While it has 500K HBD on Hive? Do you know where the extra money comes from? It comes from the SBDs/HBDs of the 'blacklisted' accounts during the Hive fork. That means the Koreans SBDs, the SteemIt SBDs, etc. And @blocktrades, as well as @justineh and others are currently earning HBDs coming from these funds. Is it not technically 'stolen' ?
No.
That is the short and direct and correct answer to your question.
As you stated, "you see it.... Hive is the real Steem"
No it isn't.
Hive is Hive.
Steem is Steem.
As with any HF such as this, maybe a good example in some ways are those of the BTC HF's, criteria were set for the fork, those that complied with the defined criteria got airdrops, those that didn't comply, well too bad so sad.
The word Stolen is not correct, nor in any way can be applied in any context of its definition.
What you wish to state is your non agreement with the airdrop terms, that is fine.
Will not deny that there are many mixed emotions about that topic.
Again, to name an entire nation as being victims, is not correct either.
Each individual person is responsible for their individual actions.
Hence to generalize and make such incorrect and unfounded accusations is just outright WRONG.
I don't deny that there are all sorts under the sun, and there are all sorts on Hive too.
Yet at the end of the day, each and every person needs to be responsible and held accountable for their own individual actions, words and take on the responsibilities and consequences.
Again, I will stress one fact:
Since the fork, Hive is not Steem and has NOTHING to do with Steem.
This blockchain is its own chain from that day forwards.
& there are changes happening and in the works that were never even "discussed" on Steem in the past.
So that in itself shows that there is change in the air, a total and utter new view on things and how to approach things.
Changes do take time and will power. They don't just miraculously happen over night.
You know this all too well, every time you participated in implementing any changes on Dtube.
So, once again NO, the word "stolen" is in no way, manner or form applicable to the crypto (HIVE & HBD) airdropped on Hive.
I think he is unable to grasp this relatively simple concept.
It's literally not "stolen" because we created a new blockchain, with a new token, and got new listings. No one owned anything before Hive existed and they sure are hell weren't "entitled" to it.
If the tokens that weren't airdropped are "stolen" then the SteemIt stake you used for years was "stolen" from the community. Regardless of if SteemIt delegated it or not, it was "stolen" according to your definition.
And they still own those tokens. On Steem. Where they owned them. Those tokens. On Steem.
Did I say that enough?