Here are the two quatrains supposedly foretelling Hitler:
From the depths of the West of Europe,
A young child will be born of poor people,
He who by his tongue will seduce a great troop;
His fame will increase towards the realm of the East.
Also ...
Beasts ferocious with hunger will cross the rivers,
The greater part of the battlefield will be against Hister.
Into a cage of iron will the great one be drawn,
When the child of Germany observes nothing.
Do they? (Open-ended question)
Generally its the first quatrain that is ascribed to the rise of Hitler
Hitler was born in Austria, a country in Western Europe, and although he wasn’t directly poor himself, Germany was struggling with paying off debt because of World War I. Hitler won over an entire country through his persuasion and speeches, and throughout the war, his character was talked about in countries to the east such as Russia, China, and Japan.
Pretty much every line of that quatrain describes Hitler and his rise.
How he did it, I would dearly love to know
Thanks for responding. I finally looked at your website (interesting stuff, some familiar, some not), and read the other Nostradamus article. We probably won't agree on how accurate the "Hitler" quatrain is, so I won't discuss it further. I will, however, mention something brought to mind by your wondering-how-he-does-it question.
This will be weird. It's from an author whose four books I own, have read, and generally value greatly. This particular part, maybe 1% of the whole, I find very, very hard to wrap my wits around. The author is Dr. Michael Newton, a clinical hypnotherapist, whose books derive from the commonalities found in his over 7,000 cases investigating Life Between Lives (his terminology). So he doesn't recount his own personal experiences or imaginings, but common reports from his subjects in deep hypnosis who had not been briefed in advance on what to expect (this is pre-Internet).
I'll quote a paragraph from page 262 of his book Destiny of Souls, in a section entitled "The screening room of future lives". I'd like to quote much more, but ...
The whole chapter is about souls being shown snippets from a few possible future lives, so that they can pick which one they think will be most valuable to their spiritual development.
This is (maybe!) some empirical evidence to add to the dry philosophical debate of destiny versus free will. If one in the spirit world between lives can be shown life 50 years in the future, why not 500? The principle would seem to be similar.
Hmm interesting, I don't think I have read anything by Newton, will definitely have to check him out.
As for the "accuracy" of the quatrain, or any of the quatrains, as I said in the 2nd article (soon to be posted here), this type of activity was a death sentence back in Nostradamus' time. Which is why he wrote in such an ambigious form so that he could hide it from the Church powers., That leaves a lot of room for interpretation and only in hindsight are most of his prophecies attached to actual events.
Even then there is much debate about what means what and if only a single quatrain refers to a single event or if as you pointed out, multiple quatrains can refer to the same event.
During my first reply, I used the term generally, I didn't interject any personal opinion in as I am of the personal belief that he wrote about the same event multiple times, depending on its "importance"
After all, he went into a trance and was unable to control his visions, its perfectly logical for him to have had "repeat" visions of very important events or turning points isn't it.
Anyways glad you enjoyed the 2nd article, one last one to come soon as I finish giving it a 3rd over lol.
Thanks. I'm more interested in some of your other stuff. I was captivated by all of Sitchin's books about Sumeria for several years, until I read the sitchiniswrong.com website. That ruined for me Sitchin's explanations, and now I have no "evidence" for the simple "aliens did it" answer to questions like how a sophisticated civilization seemingly just appeared out of thin air with no obvious progenitors.
I also like Lloyd Pye's stuff, although he died a few years back and seemingly invested (to my mind) far too much time trying to prove the off-world origin of what he called the Starchild skull.
Anyway, thanks again.
yeah sitchin is an interesting one, he was held high up for quite a few years, considering he was the first to "decipher" the ancient Sumerian language he was able to interject quite a few things that support his claims, not the other way around.
Just like everyone else in the world I doubt believe he is 100% wrong (pretty hard to be THAT wrong) but a lot of his theories have been debunked pretty heavily over the decades
I did the one intro on that subject and do plan on doing more since that is a very fascinating culture indeed
Yes, fascinating is an apt word for it. I look back on some of these ancient artifacts and cultures and it's very hard not to think aliens had some part in it.