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RE: What True Decentralized Social Media Looks Like

in #crypto3 years ago

Scott, I think you may be mistaking that blacklist repo which is being used by Steem front ends. Not Hive. I could be wrong but believe Hive would have decoupled from Steem related repos since the chain split. If not, they should do so promptly.

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Well the accounts are still censored so?

Hive doesn't use that blacklist. Here is their repository

https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/condenser/-/tree/develop

Okay, so then it just interfaces censoring because it used to be censored from Steem?

What about Hive.blog? This goes to a error page: https://hive.blog/@thedarkoverlord

From the viewpoint of anyone on Hive, they might as well be.

The problem is this has no bearing in the blockchain itself as nothing is censored at that level.

Your issue is with front end operators likely running a vestigial code structure that should have been removed that is filtering blockchain data.

Suppose a front end operators decided to set up a node that blocks all content of certain ideologies of their own accord. Would you blame Hive for that?

TL;DR: Criticizing the blockchain for this is unfair. Criticize the front end operators that have allowed that code to remain.

Pinging persons that may be able to work issue on the hive.blog end.

Edit: I realized you were not critical but the opposite. Still yet your point on the front ends needing to fix the issue remains.

I did say in the blog and the video that it was the front end platforms that censored and the whole was my support of the Hive blockchain

Yes, I am sorry if I misinterpreted but I am still a bit divided on how censorship on the most popular and robust front ends would be a selling point to the underlying technology. I'm going to watch your video and see if that helps me to understand better.

My point was that they are transparent with the process and they aren't prevented from accessing their funds

Ok I think I got the gist of it but technically this isn't necessarily a selling point for Hive exclusively as I should be able to obtain the same content from Steem. Even so, I think you bring up some good points about legal issues and Hive and other blockchain service providers in that it gives the user the discretion of what they want to see rather than government officials with big sticks. Obviously with issues like CP we go into a complete different realm than the usual type of censorship we see these days especially the politically motivated flavor.

We certainly didn't look into this before, but I'm going to make a reasonable assumption that Steemit only did this after being contacted by law enforcement in the US. If that's the case, I don't see much benefit to expending even the relatively trivial effort to display this presumably old data now. It's still out there, for anyone who wants to see it, on the blockchain, in any case, as you've already mentioned.

Thank you for the reply.

I don't recollect the context of this enforcement action and it's rationale from law enforcement but it clearly was an unpopular move on chain in retrospect.

Was it limited to this account or where there more and are we going to take it on good faith from Steemit Inc at the time that the actions were taken against content that was justified in the court of law?

I don't know the answers to these questions but imagine they would be the manner of questions that could be asked. If there a no legal compulsion for Hive.blog, I don't know if there is any incentive to maintaining that baggage lest we have more vloggers point it out and share w censorship averse audience on LBRY.

Also, hate to bother but would you or someone be able to explain the a bit more detail technically as to how this action carried over to hive.blog and peakd but not down the board to other front ends.

Is it that both share codebase w condenser and that is how it was transferred? Thanks in advance

I can't be sure without looking at the code, but yes, I'd guess that this was something included into the condenser code.