I was going to have a productive day at work and then I read this and used up the few brain cells I actually possess to process all those lines. (Ok, not really, I have several brain cells, not just a few.
I'm never going to feel comfortable about lack of effort, especially when there's something riding on it: A work promotion, accolade, pay rise, award and, on Hive, votes. The quality of the effort is subjective of course, but valid, relevant, and interesting interaction is not as easily or lazily created...So, engagement is the thing here that makes a massive difference.
For example, I get a few comments now and then on my posts...but they come from "known sources" mostly, those who regularly comment. A lot of them gain votes from me in return, for their quality work and effort.
With my #weekend-engagement concept run in my Weekend Experiences community I get many entries each weekend, 70-80 I guess, and those people are there for many different reasons, but my votes and potential curangel support is certainly two of them. (I also ask tarazkp to vote on some I select, and he does.) Ok, sounds legit...But how many of those random entries (the users) interact on my posts during the week? Not many, sometimes (mostly) none. They ignore me.
My point? Damn, I forgot.
Not really.
My point is that people seem to have the wrong idea a lot of the time. They enter contests regularly, concepts like my own also, but fail miserably when it comes to building actual relationships with interaction and engagement. Sure, they may get a 0.30-1.00 vote from me if they enter my concept, maybe a curangel if it's a good post...but if they did a little more, made some effort to interact with validity with me on my own posts...Hmm, maybe they'd get those votes on their own (from me) regularly. I understand that many may simply not like me or my content and that's ok, but the point still stands...Engagement and valid interaction!
Sorry, I know this is not quite an on-topic comment, but considering people on Hive are seeking reward I felt inclined to make it...Reward comes through effort and, in my opinion, more readily through interaction with people and the relationships that interaction creates. Point in case: Your relationship with tarazkp (and others).
Lastly, ecency-points self-voting...I don't like it and think those votes could be better-used to open relationships and support others. I see a much greater reward coming from that than the few cents a person gets through self-voting with those points. I wonder what you think on that point.
Yeah, I was wondering about this. I got rid of HP delegation on Dlease because I didn't feel it was being used correctly and I got rid of using Ecency points for the same reason.
I remember a Bitcoin podcast where someone said that the incentive of participating in the Bitcoin network is to do the right thing because it could mean you could earn a block reward.
I feel like HIVE still has some incentives that are misaligned with the network. Of course, HIVE is still developing and this could be worked out in the future.
Thanks for your reply.
I'm not a fan of the Ecency front end, I use Peakd and am happy with it. However, several weeks back, I went to Ecency for some reason (can't recall why) and realised I had over 5,000 points there. I have no idea how. I immediately began to distribute them to others, not myself, as boosts.
It's actually pretty handy as I can reward people in that way even when my own VP is low. Seems like a good use of them. No one has thanked me for it yet, but that's ok, it feels good just giving people a little boost now and then.
Anyway, I think it would be nice to see everyone doing it that way, sharing it to others. I'm not naiive though, and understand it's unlikely to happen in a wholesale manner. I think it's a lost opportunity for users trying to build relationships should they squander their Ecency points on themselves.
Thank is what I do with my Ecency points. I never thought to use them on my own posts....
But then again, I use Hive.blog that no one but me uses so... take it for what you will LOLL
Yeah, using those points on myself isn't something I'd feel comfortable doing; the benefit of casting them on someone else is too great to waste them on oneself...and looking like a greedy fucker. I'd like to cast spells like Gandalf, but instead I cast Ecency points.
It's better than casting some other things :D
Sorry, I read your weekend prompts and now all I can think about is going shopping... LOLL
Lol...well yeah, go shopping in the city at your peril.
It was a joke topic, but there's been multiple posts based on that topic. Bonkers, but good on people for getting in there and having some fun.
HAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Yeah, I do not think I could write 250 words about shopping. For one, I dislike shopping. I would never spend all day doing it sooooo there goes all the fun. LOLL
I think I will miss reading those posts HA!
I think I might just do that too. The only two things worth considering with boosting posts with Ecency points are:
Not deal breakers, but worth nothing.
I think it's a nice thing to do. I actually received one last night from a user I'd not have expected to boost anyone other than herself. It was nice to see for sure, and I was sure to leave a comment saying thank you to the user.
With the two dot-points. Yeah, Not deal breakers. They want to maximise their curation hence the 24 hour thing and I agree with not boosting/voting twice.
Let me know how you go with it.
This is actually a good post in my opinion:
https://ecency.com/hive-167922/@evernoticethat/the-future-of-hive-is-in-your-hands
and I tried to boost it within the first 24 hours. Not sure what criteria Ecency uses to approve or reject boosts.
Oh well. I guess I'll keep trying to use it, but it's not in my my favorites list at the moment.
I've had that happen. Maybe it's something to do with their voting power.
I believe it was discussed here some time ago: https://peakd.com/hive-173737/@acidyo/re-mikezillo-rot5oj
I'm personally not a fan, I'd rather they have some way of people "requesting" votes and then curators looking into them, them spending some ecency coins for the request and then curators getting some of them in exchange for their time and curation, rather than users instantly receiving a vote in exchange for a command and curators maybe removing the vote if they catch any abuse.
It's also annoying that they're stubborn on keeping it this way and every person out there starting new projects using it as an excuse to fully attempt to abuse PoB, such as what I assume is happening with that helios project but haven't looked too deep into it.
I'm sorry, I didn't see that other discussion, although am not surprised to see you're not a fan of it. (Me either clearly.)
I didn't know that Ecency were stubborn about it though, although did get some flak for once saying I wasn't a fan of the front end. I didn't mind, although thought it was rather pretentious of the user who seemed entitled to denigrate me. I'm not surprised they're digging in their heels.
I've downvoted users in the past for continually upvoting themselves directly and through Ecency points. I'll do so again. There has to be a better way to roll it out but if they're not open to discussion then the point is moot. I'll keep handing points out to others and I know a few other people do also, which I applaud.
Interestingly. one of my posts got a boost from a user last night, a user who I had least expected to do so. I was pleasantly surprised and straight away dropped a comment in thanks, as everyone should do.
Anyway, thanks for responding despite my comment not really aligning with your post. I was taking the self-vote theme and stretching it just a little.
I'm a bit disappointed that they don't give out votes based on other things instead (or focus on it), they're a front-end so they could easily record who is using it to post, comment and maybe even curate with. Reward that. Not delegators or buyers, that will most likely always create mostly abuse rather than the small % who'll use it for good. That's what I'd hoped they'd realize and change but instead they chose to defend it and I don't really have it in me to go out of my way to explain why it's not great.
If anything then incentivize curators to check on their votes better, there's been a lot of abuse reported to us from their curation activity that could easily be avoided.
There's so many things they could be rewarding...and yet they reward people for a "heart beat". I guess they used the points thing to attract people (initially) to use it and they're fixed on that course of action despite the fact they probably don't need to any more.
Indeed and, I'm not surprised about the abuse reports. Sad really.