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RE: Temperature Increases First.

in #discussion7 years ago

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Gotcha...facts don't matter to you.

Facts is all that matters to me, that is why I showed you a chart with eight hundred thousand years worth of facts.

You are bringing up anomalies on shorter time frames. Yes sometimes temperature can go up more than CO2, there are other things on earth that can cause temperature to increase, it is not only CO2. I never denied that nor do scientists, but when you look at all the data, the correlation between CO2 and temperature is a fact, it is a green house gas that traps heat in the earth's atmosphere.

Currently CO2 is at around 400 parts per million, higher than it has been in the last eight hundred thousand years, so based on the last eight hundred thousand years of factual data this means temperature will go up.

Unless you are a fortune teller that knows that CO2 will magically vanish from the atmosphere back down to the levels we have had for the last eight hundred thousand years or something will block sunlight from hitting the earth's surface. There is no reason to believe that earth's temperatures will decrease in the future.

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you keep using that word correlation.
I don't think it means what you think it means.
roosters crowing at dawn is almost one hundred percent correlated with the sun coming up.
correlation does not mean causation.

I know exactly what it means, that is why I said it

correlation does not mean causation.

Not always, but in this case we have eight hundred thousand years of data that proves it.

the holocene optimium was a LOT hotter than today.
the Minoan warm period was a LOT hotter than today.
The Roman warm period, the early medivial, the late medieval...all hotter than today..

it is clear the Earth and especially the Northern Hemisphere are cooler today than 7,000 BP and we are in a cooling trend

yet the CO2 was lower...?

oh...one more thing...you keep saying '800,000 years'...the Vostok Antarctic Ice Core Record only goes back half that far.

In the plot of the full Vostok ice core record in the upper left, you might just be able to see that the middle graph (Carbon Dioxide concentration, green line) slightly lags the temperature by about 800 years on average. This suggests that the changes in temperature might cause the Carbon Dioxide changes rather than the other way around.

Where did you get the data for the other 400K years?

The chart is from NASA, it is explained in the video I linked. The data goes back to 800,000 years.
https://icecores.org/icecores/drilling.shtml

The oldest continuous ice core records extend to 130,000 years in Greenland, and 800,000 years in Antarctica.

Most graphs only show the last 400k years just to make the graph smaller
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Explain it in your own words.
Convince me you know whereof you speak.
I've already told you that NASA can't be trusted.

after all...you said that you'd studied the data and that you understood it.
Prove it.

LOL, the data speaks for itself, I do not have to prove anything to you.

Why do you expect me to prove something to you when you yourself have not proven anything to me. You keep linking these charts which show a shorter time scale which prove nothing in the overall long term trend. Not only that the data you are linking came from the same exact ice core samples gathered by the same scientists (some from NASA and some from other countries) that my 800,000 year chart came from.

So if you do not trust NASA you should not trust any of the data you yourself linked.

where'd the data come from?
400K is Ice cores...
what's the rest?

what are the proxies?