This is one of the rare cases where a family manages to win a case against Child Protective Services - after years of agony Amy Fabbrini and Eric Ziegler managed to prove they are intelligent enough to raise their two children. Both of their sons were practically snatched from their arms as soon they were born by social services, on account of them beign too stupid to take care of their children.
Hunter was reunited with his parents just in time for Christmas
Five years ago, their first son, Christopher, was taken by the Oregon Department of Human Services, just four days after his birth. In February 2017, their second son, Hunter, was forcibly taken from his mother's arms while still in hospital.
Not surprisingly, those who raised the alarm were the mother's own parents, worried their daughter is not competent to look after a child. Instead of offering help, they called the CPS who promptly put the child in foster care. When the same thing happened with their second born the 'stupid parents' sprang into action, raised funds to challenge the CPS decision in court... and won! The infant was returned to the family before Christmas, when he was almost ten months old. The elder child however was only returned several months later, as it was deemed a more delicate matter since he had practically spent his whole life in foster care!
According to court documents, their “limited cognitive abilities” interfered with their capability to safely parent a child. Both of their IQs hover around 70. The average IQ is considered between 90 and 110.
“They’re thinking that because we have this disability, we can’t safely parent our children,” Fabbrini said at the time.
Despite the lower IQ - if such tests are indeed relevant - both parents have managed to graduate high-school and had decent jobs. That did not prevent the CPS from taking their babies and it is only because of their sheer determination that they managed to get them back!
Hounded by British social services
And another story. British single mother Rachel Pullen appealed to the European Court of Human rights to have her daughter returned to her, after the child was taken away on account that the mother was too stupid to take care of the girl, who was born prematurely and had some health issue.
Solving the nappy-change equation
The first question that comes to mind is since when are prospective parents required to take IQ tests? I've never had to take one. Neither has my mother. She belongs to a generation which didn't put much value on a girl's academic results and she dropped out of school in the 7th grade. Yet, she somehow managed to become an excellent homemaker and raise not only her three children, but several others, as this was her only job option at a difficult point in her life. I suspect she's never had to solve an equation in her whole life, but did a great job feeding, clothing and nurturing the children in her care.
On the other hand, I don't know how a high IQ is a guarantee that one would make a great parent? You don't need to be Einstein to change nappies or teach the kids to look both ways while crossing the street. Or hug them when they're sick.
Reading all these stories, there's one thing that stands out – the determination with which these people, deemed of limited intellect, are fighting to get their children back. If you take a toy from a child, soon enough he'll forget about it and move on, get distracted by something else. Yet, nothing seems to distract these people from the goal of getting their children back. Because they love those kids and this is the first requirement for the job.
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Great that they had this result.
It also shows the ridiculousness of using IQ as a measure, when they were able to carry on resiliently and ultimately win their case. In my opinion, this shows a level of emotional stability that many would struggle to maintain.
I am unsure of my thoughts on this. I am going to assume there is some level of IQ that would be so low that it would probably end up harmful for any children born to have these people as their primary teachers/caregivers. Having said that, I am not an expert on the various designations and their actual application when it involves functioning in the world. For reference I found this which still didn't explain things very well to my satisfaction.
http://www.assessmentpsychology.com/iqclassifications.htm
Based on my own score as a teen on IQ tests I remain unsettled as to their actual accuracy, as mine scored extremely high, higher than I would have thought personally.
I am going to posit here that if one is intelligent enough to flee to another country to keep their children, that would appear to be functioning at a high enough level that raising ones own children should not be questionable.
Sorry for rambling here, I have never seen a post focused on children being taken based on the mental acuity of the parent and trying to feel my way through this. My next thought is if there is an IQ test required of the CPS workers and any subsequent foster parents then if it is a barometer used on parents.
It's a shame that so many parents will sick the CPS on their own flesh and blood instead of lending a hand with their own flesh and blood.
I don't think it is about IQ at its core. That is just one of many reasons they go after children. Some cases are legit of course, but the system is corrupt so it must be showed to all so we can re-factor and replace it.
They have been at this a long time and it involves more than just CPS. CPS is just the name they are using for now. This battle starts in our schools and most of our up-brining. We are influenced into fear to blind us from the big picture then influenced into accepting violence in the name of something so called good (kinda off but not so bad). Well that "not so bad" perception shifts a great deal over generations especially when people are born into something like tyranny.
James Corbett has put together some history on eugenics. It is no surprised that this is not taught in public school and demonized by the corporate owned press. The more we learn about stuff like this the better off 99.9999% of us will be. Personally if I am ridiculed over talking eugenics I'm not surprised. In fact, if I even fell uneasy about brining it up it just lets me know I'm still have more indoctrination to over-come. Don't get me started on what they do with the children..
Apologies for rambling too ;) .. hope this helps.
No need for apologies, it helps me learn. I have learned a lot since joining Steemit regarding what can only be a large co-op among the rich to use us like cattle who have no rights. I have come to suspect some very sinister things about CPS and their involvement as far as child trafficking is concerned since I initially encountered the familyprotection group here on Steemit. Sadly, it appears that no matter how far down this hole one goes, there is more to go down.
I think what really caught me about this post was it raised the question (for myself) of what is the best course of action if parents who are incapable mentally of caring for children begin having them. I despise what CPS is doing with these kids, but that doesn't negate the very real dangers and learning barriers these children would face. It is exactly this kind of heart play how they justify having such a monstrous organization as CPS, and somehow needs to be addressed as the thought of abandoning children in these situations (not saying the parents quoted in this article fall under this scenario) is sickening to me.
I agree on the faults of public school, having home schooled my son successfully enough that he is more successful than his dad ever has been. I will look more into James Corbett and eugenics as I definitely believe based on research for my articles that they are indeed practicing it and most of us aren't making the cut.
And now I am rambling :D
oh yes spot on.
Agreed, IQ point is more of an excuse for them. Organisations like CPS are horribly money-driven and corrupted. It's such a shame they exist in our society.
Yes. The system has an obligation to remove children from potentially harmful, & grossly dysfunctional parents. However lately many children in western countries are being removed from loving parents and put into horrendous foster care situations because the parents refuse to vaccinate their kids or because they disagree with some small aspect of the system. Some of the children are sometimes used in establishment peodo rings. I know that sounds strange & far fetched but I know of a few cases. I believe eugenics is a fact because the "powers that be" are trying to reduce the population. People will always be ridiculed by talking about anything that does not parrot the popular consensus narrative held by the status quo.
As far as CPS workers are concerned, I think it would be interesting to see not the IQ, but how they score on empathy and human decency... Since I've started writing for #familyprotection I've read through so many horrible cases and this is one of the questions I often ask myself - how do this people sleep at night?!
I'm sorry I did not elaborate on the UK stories, which I have followed in their papers - these people were literally hunted like terrorists... worse than terrorists, actually!
I am guessing many of them simply don't care about others, or get some kind of kicks from doling out misery.
I knew it had gotten bad in the EU, but it is so easy to forget. So many countries that used to be proud of their heritage and now they are treated like outcasts in their own countries.
I too find this sooo sad what is our world coming too?
Great post but "I suspect she's never had to solve an equation in her whole life..." Presumes that IQ tests are testing mathmatical ability but it's, of course, more than that.
Now, the govt. Making the decision is a slippery slope perhaps...but specifics in these conversations are very important.
If you are trying to talk policy with someone who fudges facts you don't get anywhere quick... it's better for all involved if everything is on the table we talk about it honestly and use that information to figure out what policies are best to enact. I personally know people with lower IQs and whether it's a direct result of their bad parenting or not they certainly lack judgement in some areas...
great post ,,
The post is very similar to reality. What I think.
Post later learned something new. Very happy
Thank you very much for sharing the post among us
Its amazing what a parent can accomplish if the love and the will is strong enough.
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my opinion is that noot eveyone is able to be a parent.....someone is be very dangeroous for this situatioon