It is well understood that a baby's immune system is not developed enough for vaccines to have any possible benefit and yet still the vaccines are being given to them! What kind of a 'healthcare' system wastes money and puts lives at risk from vaccine injury just to 'train' the child's parents to continue to bring the child back later for more vaccines? What kind of parents go along with this?!
Given that most of us learn almost nothing of any significant use about real health and our bodies in our school educations and are then fed a mixture of marketing and propaganda via mainstream media as we grow up that is intended to keep us indoctrinated into a medical system that profits from our sickness and gains nothing from our health - it is perhaps understandable that we often don't question even the most obvious frauds that we encounter there.
In several years of listening to a long list of medical doctors, vaccine researchers and other qualified professionals it has become abundantly clear to me that as with so many topics there is a huge amount of denial surrounding vaccines and it has become a kind of religion for people to support and put their faith in - without even understanding the basics of what they are supporting.
In the following video you will hear an explanation being given of why babies are given vaccines in their first year, before their immune system has even developed enough for the vaccines to have ANY kind of possible benefit. In short, rather than 'risk' that the child might have a chance to develop in a natural way, as was intended, it will instead be given potentially hazardous or even fatal shots just to 'train' it's parents - who apparently can't think for themselves and therefore cannot be trusted to act of their own free will:
Given that billions of dollars has already been paid out in compensation to families of people seriously injured or killed BY THE VACCINES - there can surely not be a sane human among us who can justify risking such injuries for ZERO possible benefit.. and yet, vast numbers of alleged 'medical professionals' go along with this unjustifiable and denial based program every day!
Do you REALLY think this level of intelligence is the best we can do? I personally would trust my own innate wisdom and internal connection to spirit before I trust any of these alleged 'experts' with my most sacred health!
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Wishing you well,
Ura Soul
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Hi ura-soul, thanks for sharing. Ive had many heated debates in vaccination with people and its amazing how many try to win the argument on the 'its for the greater good' propaganda. I dont have kids so have not had to make this choice, but i feel that it should be just that - a choice! Nobody should be guilted into doing anything just because doctors said so, but especially not injecting their children with toxic chemicals.
I strongly think that nature will always find a way of getting around what man do, and by 'preventing' some bugs now we are just setting ourselves up for something worse to take its place (think antibiotic resistant bacteria).
I personally dont think anybody in positions of power have peoples best interests at heart anymore - money and power corrupts absolutely - and medical professionals are the same. How anyone can blindly trust the people who get paid to distribute and push these things is anyones guess.
Rant over - thanks for posting - following and resteemed. As always, an interesting topic!
Your comments demonstrating an understanding of the matter is a formidable beginning.
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Thanks, returned the follow - your comments are refreshing and seem well researched. I have a science background and currently work in the aquaculture industry where vaccination is routinely used, so see first hand the side effects of vaccination on fish, mortality post vaccination and the impact on growth and development. You can extrapolate that up to humans in a very rough and ready way! Look forward to seeing more of your posts/comments!
Thank you for the follow and the comments.
It's good to have another person here who has seen the results first hand. One of the more knowledgeable people, here, on this subject is @canadian-coconut, I'd recommend her work any time you are interested in new avenues to research on this topic..
Thanks i will check her out
Not all vaccines are good, but I think that people that are opposed to mandatory vaccines should spend some time thinking and learning about group immunity, as well as the diseases that vaccines protect us from.
Mandatory vaccination is a war crime under the Nuremberg code. If there is no informed consent, it can have no legitimacy, since consent and mandatory are mutually exclusive.
Haha, sorry. Just so funny. I love your argument? I needed a good laught. A baby can't blow it's own nose. It is mandatory to help your baby breath. Is that a form of torture? My son would tell you it is. A baby can't concent to anything , it is your job as a parent to protect to do your best to keep it alive. In in my opinion that includes infectious diseases. No one can force you to believe in science. But maybe we should. I am going create a vaccine for it.
Do you really think that I'm saying that babies can consent? You are not skilled, at all, in the art of debate, or the knowledge of science to which you so readily attempt to appeal. Science is a useful tool to those who understand it. Blindly adhering to indoctrination is not science or even logic.
If you are ever interested in learning your way out of the mind prison you've allowed yourself to be put in, you might start with the Trivium, the Quadrivium, and a course or two in biochemistry and biophysics.
In the crazy world it is hard to know who to trust, but I just don't understand why people have so much fear. I will investigate trivium and quadrivium, because I am not familiar with them. There are people that lie with science and statistics but for the most part the acidemic community uses checks and balance that are designed to mitigate misinformation. Unlike this topic.
People have fear from lack of knowledge. Knowledge brings empowerment and the ability for self determination, and diminishes fear.
Please do check out the Trivium and Quadrivium. Beware of the manipulations of the Trivium used to alter it's function from a way to derive truth from the senses and logic. The Neo-Platonists manipulated it to create a theistic, authoritarian control structure, and the Prussian school remade it to create willing soldiers. Wikipedia is also infested with this manipulation.
The ideas of the Trivium and Quadrivium need to be taken in order to arrive at the truth, much in the same way that there is an order of operations for math. Speaking of math...
The order, as I have found useful for understanding the world, is Trivium: grammar, logic, classical rhetoric, and the Quadrivium: math, geometry, music, and astronomy. Separated or taken out of order, they can be easily manipulated.
Academia is filthy with conflict of interest, appeal from authority, appeal to popularity, and the genetic fallacy. I find the best way is to learn the basics of intellectual self defense and interpret the data as best one can.
One of the most useful tools I've employed is a continuing attempt to try to prove myself wrong, as I find it too easy to simply dismiss the arguments of others. Dismissal, without understanding is an all too common occurrence with the online chaos, where misinformation is rife, and there is no real way to determine the sincerity of the interactions had. Don't believe everything you read, in fact, doubt everything until it is understood at a fundamental level.
Trust yourself, but first make sure you are someone whom you CAN trust.
I suggest checking out my previous post about the corruption of modern science that includes interviews with people near the top of the system who openly admit that the system is totally corrupt and deliberately misleading everyone for financial gain.
There is no such thing as group immunity and vaccines don't protect anyone. That being said, the propaganda is understood. "Herd" immunity doesn't apply through artificial means also. You can be protected for a lifetime if you acquire the disease normally, without artificial stimulants. Otherwise, you are causing lifelong problems that are worse than the disease itself.
Hahaha
Appeal to ridicule, now that's original.
It would benefit you to learn more about this issue.
Sorry, I just think it is halerious. I can't help but laught. Are they doing it so they can take your guns? Is the world flat? I am sorry again, I don't mean to insult your intelligence, do you really think that vaccines are bad? I don't know why people think that opinions are factual. When I had my son I was very scared that vaccines were going to hurt him in some way, so I did my personal due diligance and the benefits of vaccines out weighed the cons. I won't change anyone's opinion on social media, but I hope that someone that is reading this becomes more sceptical of the information that they consume. I think that the world would benefit from a deeper understanding of statistical thinking. Everyone should be critical of what they read, especially the information that confirms our own beliefs. Unfortunately, I have never read a convincing aregument againt vaccines that Is based on fact that has been through the peer review process. There are no doubt some concerning things about vaccines, but think about the disease they are protecting you from. Just so you know a baby can die from the flu. Vaccines are one of the reason infant mortality has improved in the last 100 year. Medical science is not law, but for me it is better that random opinions on the internet, or small poxs.
I know for a fact that vaccines are more dangerous than they are beneficial. Do your research before you bring your appeal from authority, and your ad hominem attacks. Using insults does not make you intelligent or right on this subject.
I've studied this subject for years after being damaged by a vaccine.
For someone who can't spell for their life, you sure do like to insult people of whose intelligence you have not even the vaguest notion. Every statement you've made further demonstrates how little you understand about this subject, and how comfortable you are to put people's lives at risk to defend your indoctrination.
Sanitation and hygiene are responsible for all of the success you credit to vaccination. Please, for the sake of those who depend on your limited knowledge to survive and be healthy, go back and do your reading, and do more than read the government propaganda and corporate advertising.
If you're interested in an intelligent conversation, please bring more to the table than the same old indoctrination. If you agree with most people, you're usually wrong.
None of this is my opinion. The Earth is demonstrably an oblate spheroid, hurtling and spinning through space. The state is demonstrably, continually, trying to expand it's power, and if they thought they could get away with it, would deprive us of the ability to defend ourselves, so we would be more dependent on the state for our life, liberty, and property. Do you really not know any of this?
There are technologies that are safer, cheaper, and easier for the individual to understand and use than the archaic, failed technology of vaccines. Blind faith in government or corporate interests is not a healthy way to proceed.
If all you've got for argument is propaganda, advertising and insults, then cease to pretend to argue, and please take all the vaccines that you can afford.
You are funny. You ought to take some of your own advice. You say people ought to be more sceptical of the information that they consume? Lol. You like government, don't you? They are the biggest purveyors of lies and propaganda. Go back in history and educate yourself. And not the history taught in public schools.
If you can provide proof of herd immunity, then I will gladly examine it - according to the many doctors I have listened to on the subject, there is no proof the existence of herd immunity recorded in human history.
There was a study that was done in Japan that shows the benefits of community/ herd immunity.
https://oup.silverchair-cdn.com/oup/backfile/Content_public/Journal/cid/52/7/10.1093/cid/cir007/2/cir007.pdf?Expires=1501689772&Signature=bEDy9VvF-EYYGVcDFks44ycH8sdyChnjemqoibYQ0DyLk4oMMZVm2z-FlZAzKEo3BcyCHBNCNeHuYqiEyjdqR9p5PI1lkzUoqNUN~38lqaZpAaP~DyhD-XlCTOhfitD2HOMPJly9Ge2jnqWxLRGaETMHWpNfKKaYJUI6GyX0pd3IIoXopAT~PV-r7jJFPLRnBm2msjeCkHQkghoS6a767Zj73CaktF4C1BZlsdBozrsxMgKTbpK2c~tAo4z0Y-rDP3oLBzTqfXI9qel3vnBexnBToAOpjuaGf15WoFmD6ZO5VmNbkS8ediWjoJSNfJ7gTdfBJ5ZRJFV~vbXxEvmP6g__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIUCZBIA4LVPAVW3Q
Studies notwithstanding, we have seen, recently, measles moving through fully vaccinated populations. Herd immunity from vaccines is a farce. It sounds good, to some, when authority says it, but that doesn't make it so.
I've never heard of 'herd immediately'. What is 'herd immediately'?
Have you ever heard of cherry picking?
I didn't mean to upset you with a typo.🙂 I think you knew what I meant, but maybe I am wrong. I fixed it for you. Where and when was the outbreak you speak of? It is not impossible to have deseases spread in a vaccinated population. Just a lot less likely.
Texas, California, et cetera, look it up. It's not difficult. It becomes more obvious by the comment that you have not done the work to understand this. I am not getting paid to protect the lives of you or anyone else who spends their time denying that vaccines do not work as intended or advertised, and that they cause injury at far too high a rate, with no recourse left to the damaged.
As the linked paper states in it's opening phrase - there are several interpretations of the idea of 'herd immunity' - so that immediately means there is room for confusion when the idea is discussed:
Obviously there are millions of people on Earth who speak about these subjects, so it is not really possible to take into account every interpretation and every application of the phrase that has ever been uttered. However, in my experience, it has been fairly common to hear the phrase used as a way to suggest that entire populations can be protected from disease as a result of a certain percentage of individuals receiving vaccinations - including those who are not vaccinated. In other words, there is an inference of a magical ability for real immunity to develop even in those who are not vaccinated - hence 'herd IMMUNITY' as opposed to 'herd exposure reduction', which would be the more accurate phrase to describe the type of result described by the study on the Japanese population that is referenced.
Having looked through the actual paper that is referenced, it is clear that they are not describing a total immunity to disease (even among the unvaccinated) as a result of sufficient vaccination, rather they are simply describing that the disease incidence is reduced enough as a result of vaccination, that transmission is reduced in general and so the unvaccinated also benefit.
I am not disputing that this is a likely outcome of a mass vaccination program and I don't think that the doctors that I am referring to would dispute that either.
So to reiterate, my conclusion here is that the term 'herd immunity' is misleading and commonly misused - usually to promote vaccination programs.
For a variety of Doctor's comments on vaccine science (who are exposing commonly denied aspects of the situation), I suggest listening to the ones in my earlier post on vaccines and vaccine injury.
I may be wrong but I think that some people use heard immunity as a reason not to vaccinated. My kid won't get that polio since no one get polio.
Well, if herd immunity is a useful 'thing', then why not make use of it's alleged benefits? It is surely an unwise action to risk vaccine injury to protect against an illness that you are already safe from due to 'herd immunity'.
I suggest reading about the history of the development of the polio vaccines - Maurice Hilleman made clear that it is likely that the process caused a cancer epidemic that we are experiencing now and also may have been responsible for bringing HIV to America.
I think everybody should be opposed to 'mandatory' vaccination. As soon as the government starts forcing jags parents lose what little control over their kids development/healthcare that they have. Scary thought! What happens if the next vac they bring out is one that the majority dont believe is appropriate? Too late by that stage. Gives free reign to do anything they want with the jag (chemical sterilisation, rfid chips etc etc). Horrifying to think what the long term consequences would be.
Funny thing, the people that decide not to vaccinate have usually done more research into side effects/ dangers to come to that conclusion, whereas vaccinators will generally (and i do say generally, as im sure alot also do read up) will go along with the doctors recommendations. People are becoming more clued up, so the old 'spend some time thinking and learning' rhetoric doesnt cut it anymore.
I think the biggest danger is the pseudoscience you find on the internet. I find it almost impossible to tell who is projecting opinions as facts.
It is impossible to see immunity. All you can do is test an outcome, like someone getting a disease. The more people that make the choice to not vaccinate their kids the higher the chance your kid is going to get a disease, as well as his classmates that may have gotten the vaccine.
We are looking at a very dangerous future if we continue down this anti vaccine road. Expecially if we deny climate change at the same time.
Maybe the anti vaccine campaign is the worlds way of vaccinating against humans.
A pilot study from a couple of months ago showed increased risk of morbidity among vaccinated children as compared to unvaccinated. You might be forgiven for assuming that regularly studies are done to compare the health of vaccinated children to unvaccinated, but in reality that has never been publicly done until recently.
http://www.cmsri.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/MawsonStudyHealthOutcomes5.8.2017.pdf
This is how eugenics works...
This is an insult to everything the scientific community is building you idiotic sheep. Please top this shitstorm of misinformation, some people are actually dumb enough to believe vaccines are bad.
Please get educated and don't endanger the life of your children and the children around them.
Unfollowd because this is offensive and false.
Read this fucktards https://medium.com/@visualvaccines/graphic-proof-that-vaccines-work-with-sources-61c199429c8c
I wonder how those graphs would look if they included when running water, plumbing, and sanitation was introduced. I also wonder hiw many of the measles cases, in more recent years, have been caused by vaccines themselves, and vaccine shedding.
P.s. Why is it ok for a pro vax person to link a 'mummy blog' as evidence, yet the second an anti vaxer does, they are told to 'educate themselves'. 🤔
Excellent. the 1-2-3 combination.
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This reliance on authority is not healthy. You would do better to educate yourself, than to read an industry produced infographic and then start screaming that the whole world that doesn't agree with your cherry picked source is wrong.
Also, the ad hominems are hardly helpful if you wish to convince anyone of anything. Berating people for not believing what you don't understand is counterproductive.
Please make use of the Trivium and Quadrivium, the unmanipulated versions that are used for increasing individual apprehension and comprehension of the natural world and it's dynamics. This knowledge is free and available to all who would look for it. Wikipedia is full of the theistic, authoritarian variety. I would recommend starting somewhere else.
I'm not sure which part of the scientific method involves insults and ad hominem attaack - perhaps we were both trained in different versions of scientific understanding?
In any case, I suggest listening to the numerous doctors, professionals and even a vaccine researcher who make clear, with references to numerous studies, what some of the overt and serious issues with vaccines are - plus also put forward appropriate non-toxic methods for mitigating disease effectively without vaccinations.
Although I don't believe profanity is the best solution to change people's minds, I do appreciate the source. Like you, I get upset when people are seemingly misinformed about the risks of not vaccinating their kinds. It is true that there are some potential dangers caused by the vaccines, as well as some vaccines with relatively low protection rates. As a society we can find a solution, but we just need to use facts.
That being said if you where an aluminum hat out in public, be prepared to have people think you are crazy. The CDC is not out to get you!
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As far as I know, a baby immune system is as developed as ours, they only need to be infected to create the corresponding antibodies.
As stated in the video and just about everywhere else that covers the topic - a baby's immunity is initially provided from the mother in the womb and then supported via the breast milk until the baby's own immunity is fully active a few months after being born.
I may be trained by the system, but isn't immunity provided by a mother the same as the baby's own immunity. If the goal of a vaccine to train the body to recognize a virus and kill it the next time. I think it is funny that people will believe that none of that immunity stay with a baby as it grow older. We will definitely not solve the debate over vaccines on social media, nonetheless I love the click bate.
If you can provide substantial scientific evidence that vaccines affect a baby's immunity when administered in the first few months after birth then you are welcome to provide it here - accusations of clickbait with no counter evidence are not helpful.
Sorry, but can you prove a babies immunity is not learning how to create antibodies with the support of the mothers immunity. The body needs time to create an immunity to a wide array of potential harmful bacteria and viruses. A vaccine helps the body to build up an immunity. Are they perfect, no, should we demand more from our medical professionals, absolutely. Are they dangerous, maybe, will you get a disease if you don't get them, probably not. Are they helpful for society, absolutely. Ask an old person about polo, they still remember. As a society we are starting to see a rise in diseases that we thought we eradicated with vaccines but due to the anti vaccine movement are coming back. We need to have a better dialogue about risks on both sides of the argument.
If you specific concerns about vaccines like the use of aluminum, we should work on finding an alternatives . There are some really bad bugs out there.
On different parts of the internet people are fighting over breastfeeding and if your immunity argument was valid it would show up very prodontly in infant mortality rates at constant time intervals.
Firstly, I am not a professional medical/bio-chemistry scientist by any stretch of the imagination - so I don't have a massive reference of studies to reply with and am not going to give as effective a reply as a seasoned specialist would do. I have put a lot of time though, into listening to many doctors who are qualified and well researched enough to respond to these issues in full depth - so while I don't have an answer to every question, I do have an overview understanding of the issues involved and could probably get the answers if needed by emailing relevant people.
It would be nice to think that these issues are clear cut and fully agreed upon, but it appears they are not. If we look at many websites they state clearly that a child's immune system is not capable of defending the child until the child is a few months old and that they are dependent on their mother for protection. However, published science documents make clear there is controversy and investigation ongoing about that.
This page from 2014 describes how there is speculation that baby immune systems might be more capable than previously thought and I have read other pages that go into a lot of detail rejecting these claims that baby systems.
In 2003, Pihlgren showed that if mammals are vaccinated too early, memory IgG responses to T-cell dependant antigens are suppressed. In mice it took 6 – 8 weeks for the immune system to mature enough to be able to start making long term Ig G antibodies. Pihlgren stated that in humans, the process is much longer, without specifying how long.
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