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RE: Seychelles, the most-vaccinated place on Earth, is being overwhelmed by Covid-19

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I disagree, I think if you only had 10 or 100 participants, the data might not be very statistically accurate, but at 100 or 1000 (or the actual 98,000) people, the chance you're looking at a data anomaly is incredibly tiny.

There is less than 10k people that was infected, totally, and then the number of people that was vaccinated was growing over that period. Not easy to do proper statistics on it, but at least - if the UK and Israel is succeeding to suppress the virus with their vaccine program and the Seychelles doesn't, then clearly the Seychelles is the outlier.

It's 71% fully vaccinated. Nearly half of those testing positive are fully vaccinated.

I've read different figures, that 69% is vaccinated and 59% fully vaccinated. It could be that my source is not updated. Consider that it also takes like two weeks from one gets the vaccine until one has gained immunity, so it's the number two weeks ago we should be looking at, not the numbers of today.

Details, details. What matters is that, even when taking your numbers above, they do show that the vaccine does have some effect both at preventing people from getting infected in the first place and for preventing people from becoming seriously or even terminally ill. The problem is just that the vaccines they have been using is far less effective than what one would have hoped for - and apparently they opened up the society a bit too early.

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I agree that it's hard/impossible to do "proper statistics" or analysis, and that's always a problem with emerging issues. This is a rushed response to a supposedly deadly global pandemic, and so any data coming in will be incomplete, uncertain, unreliable, and so on. That doesn't mean we can't see patterns and notice trends, which is what I think is going on. Sure, we can't cross the Ts and dot the Is perfectly right now, and we likely only know half the story, but pretending the "vaccines" are stopping transmission of SarsCoV2 at this point is ridiculous. We see groups of people being injected, deemed fully vaccinated, and then later on getting sick... over and over and over. Not just small numbers, but a large portion of the overall population. We can say we need to wait for better data, and I get where you're coming from, but my point that these products aren't stopping transmission can't be swept aside. The careless mantra "Safe and Effective" needs to be halted, as neither of those claims is in any way verified, and when you peer behind the censorship, you learn that both are in serious doubt.

pretending the "vaccines" are stopping transmission of SarsCoV2 at this point is ridiculous.

It was said all plain and clearly before the mass vaccination campaigns started, that we do not know weather the vaccines would stop transmission or not - we only knew that the vaccines would stop people from becoming ill. It has also been said over and over again that getting the vaccine is no guarantee against becoming ill. Now at least the statistics from Israel looks very promising - they have mostly been using the Pfizer vaccine. Of course, I have no clue if the numbers are to be trusted or not, but I see no reason not to trust them. Statistics from the UK, where the Astra Zeneca vaccine has been largely used, doesn't look that good at the moment - the curve is flat. But they have started opening up the society, the numbers would probably be growing if it wasn't for the vaccinations.

In Norway the authorities have stopped using Astra Zeneca, as the risk is considered greater than the benefit (for Norwegians in Norway, anyway - considering that the risk of catching Covid is relatively low in Norway, and everyone will get offered the Pfizer vaccine within the next months, it's no point taking a more risky vaccine).