Hive Secondary Airdrop: For Individual Voters should be airdropped to these accounts .
If anyone believes in freedom they should understand the right to a free vote without punishment .
Here is an example in the united States people are receiving $1200
If the United States did like Hive then everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton should not receive the $1200
This is the main disagreement between us. It comes from a misunderstandig about what an airdrop is. You believe that everyone is entitled to receive free money. But that is not how airdrops work. For example, when Byteball did an airdrop for steem users all the accounts had to perform certain actions and the amount received depended on their reputation but nobody complained that they were being punished.
Hive is a new chain and the conditions to receive an airdrop was to not vote for two or more of Justin Sun's witnesses (directly or via proxy) if you had >1k SP. The coins were a gift and nobody has the right to receive a gift. That is what a gift is.
The argument that people were punished is absurd because nothing was taken away from them...they just did not receive a gift. Maybe there feelings were hurt and that is too bad. I am willing to vote for individual proposals that can convince me that they made a mistake and it wasn't their intention to help Tron takeover Steem.
The hypotetichal Hillary Clinton analogy that you are using is a very bad one because not everyone is entitled to receive the relief package...so even that has conditions.
Hello @onthewayout the witnesses who did the fork for Hive were elected into their position as witnesses to represent the entire community not just steemins that voted for them .Therefore using their position of power to represent the entire community they decided to not give the airdrop to those who voted for Justin Sun. The controversy between Justin Sun and the group of witnesses that did the Hive fork as it turns out was very profitable for all who received the airdrop . Hive would never have happened except for the controversy between Justin Sun and the group of witnesses that did the Hive fork .I for one believe the fork to create Hive was a brilliant idea and executed brilliantly except for the excluding of the accounts that did not receive the airdrop. Remember they were elected to represent all steemins not just those who voted for them.
As for those not receiving the government stimulus it is not because of who they voted for .
The individuals who created the hive fork had no obligation to give tokens to anyone. When someone creates a new blockchain he decides how the tokens are distributed and if they decide to aidrop what the conditions will be to receive tokens. Everyone has the liberty to decide who they do business with. Nowhere in the history of blockchains has ever claimed that the creators of them have an obligation to give tokens to anyone...especially to those that fight against your vision.
That would be like after figthing a war you decide to move to an unpopulated area to stop the war but then you give your enemies a new place to stay plus weapons to fight against you. It would be dumb to say the least.
No, nobody is entitled to any airdrop for any coin (including those that received one). Technically it is up to those that create a fork to decide on the rules for the initial distribution (if there is one).
Airdops are gifts, for the most part meant to entice the people that receive them to become users of the chain in question.
Now, in the specific case of the 300 accounts I would not give coins to all of them. Some belong to individuals who openly sided with Tron and/or were outright hostile to the Hive fork. For them I say good riddance. Others were acting out of principle but in my opinion made a bad judgement. I have no problem approving proposals to the latter.
"The hypotetichal Hillary Clinton analogy that you are using is a very bad one because not everyone is entitled to receive the relief package...so even that has conditions."
In the comment above you made reference to it as an entitlement or a relief program, but now you are calling it a gift? You seem like you might be a little confused or uncertain as to what exactly it was. The government prints money out of thin air and then awards it to cronies who give them political support via various methods. Is this gift you are talking about a kickback towards only those who supported the community witnesses?
The comment that I was responding to made the case that the excluded accounts were entitled to an aidrop using an analogy. I was trying to point out that even the relief package had conditions attached to it hence it was a bad argument.
Hmm, okay, so if we go with relief package. Let's assume a natural disaster hit the blockchain because dPoS and decentralization cannot play nice together. The natural disaster was the chain split. Not very many people saw that coming, and everyone who got the relief package except for those who most definitely did not see the tornado coming. I say the ones who did not receive the relief package, did not see the tornado coming because one of the metrics to get the relief package was that they had to unvote proxies and Sun's socks before the chain split (tornado) was officially announced. If we make sure not to send the relief package to those that didn't anticipate the natural disaster, then what kind of relief package is that?
Hive Secondary Airdrop: For Individual Voters should be airdropped to these accounts .
If anyone believes in freedom they should understand the right to a free vote without punishment .
Here is an example in the united States people are receiving $1200
If the United States did like Hive then everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton should not receive the $1200
This is the main disagreement between us. It comes from a misunderstandig about what an airdrop is. You believe that everyone is entitled to receive free money. But that is not how airdrops work. For example, when Byteball did an airdrop for steem users all the accounts had to perform certain actions and the amount received depended on their reputation but nobody complained that they were being punished.
Hive is a new chain and the conditions to receive an airdrop was to not vote for two or more of Justin Sun's witnesses (directly or via proxy) if you had >1k SP. The coins were a gift and nobody has the right to receive a gift. That is what a gift is.
The argument that people were punished is absurd because nothing was taken away from them...they just did not receive a gift. Maybe there feelings were hurt and that is too bad. I am willing to vote for individual proposals that can convince me that they made a mistake and it wasn't their intention to help Tron takeover Steem.
The hypotetichal Hillary Clinton analogy that you are using is a very bad one because not everyone is entitled to receive the relief package...so even that has conditions.
Hello @onthewayout the witnesses who did the fork for Hive were elected into their position as witnesses to represent the entire community not just steemins that voted for them .Therefore using their position of power to represent the entire community they decided to not give the airdrop to those who voted for Justin Sun. The controversy between Justin Sun and the group of witnesses that did the Hive fork as it turns out was very profitable for all who received the airdrop . Hive would never have happened except for the controversy between Justin Sun and the group of witnesses that did the Hive fork .I for one believe the fork to create Hive was a brilliant idea and executed brilliantly except for the excluding of the accounts that did not receive the airdrop. Remember they were elected to represent all steemins not just those who voted for them.
As for those not receiving the government stimulus it is not because of who they voted for .
The individuals who created the hive fork had no obligation to give tokens to anyone. When someone creates a new blockchain he decides how the tokens are distributed and if they decide to aidrop what the conditions will be to receive tokens. Everyone has the liberty to decide who they do business with. Nowhere in the history of blockchains has ever claimed that the creators of them have an obligation to give tokens to anyone...especially to those that fight against your vision.
That would be like after figthing a war you decide to move to an unpopulated area to stop the war but then you give your enemies a new place to stay plus weapons to fight against you. It would be dumb to say the least.
!hw ban
Account belongs to mass spam-scam farming ring.
Banned @razorwave8.
Are the 300 Disenfranchised HIVE Accounts Entitled to the Airdrop?
No, nobody is entitled to any airdrop for any coin (including those that received one). Technically it is up to those that create a fork to decide on the rules for the initial distribution (if there is one).
Airdops are gifts, for the most part meant to entice the people that receive them to become users of the chain in question.
Now, in the specific case of the 300 accounts I would not give coins to all of them. Some belong to individuals who openly sided with Tron and/or were outright hostile to the Hive fork. For them I say good riddance. Others were acting out of principle but in my opinion made a bad judgement. I have no problem approving proposals to the latter.
In the comment above you made reference to it as an entitlement or a relief program, but now you are calling it a gift? You seem like you might be a little confused or uncertain as to what exactly it was. The government prints money out of thin air and then awards it to cronies who give them political support via various methods. Is this gift you are talking about a kickback towards only those who supported the community witnesses?
The comment that I was responding to made the case that the excluded accounts were entitled to an aidrop using an analogy. I was trying to point out that even the relief package had conditions attached to it hence it was a bad argument.
Hmm, okay, so if we go with relief package. Let's assume a natural disaster hit the blockchain because dPoS and decentralization cannot play nice together. The natural disaster was the chain split. Not very many people saw that coming, and everyone who got the relief package except for those who most definitely did not see the tornado coming. I say the ones who did not receive the relief package, did not see the tornado coming because one of the metrics to get the relief package was that they had to unvote proxies and Sun's socks before the chain split (tornado) was officially announced. If we make sure not to send the relief package to those that didn't anticipate the natural disaster, then what kind of relief package is that?