Hive5 - IDEAS for Public, Witness & Dev consideration v1.3.1

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The Hive5 Project

Improving Hive thru Natural Law ⚖️

The Hive blockchain has proven that free transactions and a self-sufficient blockchain are possible. Sadly, it has not fixed the problem of increasingly Powerful groups or individuals Ruling over others.

The laws of nature are quite simple. With abundance, greed is unnecessary. Nature seeks equilibrium. Power is limited. Bullies are not tolerated and on its own, balance is maintained...

☯ Yin, Yang.

Ideally, think of the Hive blockchain itself as a world of various online/offline networks, free of an Oligarchy, with free and open "hotspots" to build in and form lifelong friendships. Hive Communities & Apps therefore are its self-governing cities, neighborhoods and businesses built onto that free and open network, with their own rules.

Hive Communities & Apps might have rules that you agree (Contract) with to obey. If you break your Contract with them, then they have every right to kick you out or punish you in some way as per the Contract terms that you agreed to with them. If you don't like their rules then you can always move to a different community or start your own.

None of us Contracted with Powerful groups, curators or individuals to use the Hive blockchain. However, thru FEAR they are able to CONTROL and INFLUENCE most users.

Survival of the fittest.. hence "Hive5"

We learn by trying new things...
Steem + Hive + Whaleshares + Golos + Blurt = Hive5

The Road to Sustainable Growth

The Hive active userbase and market cap is shrinking, but over time, we have learned why. Hope is not lost though as we will point out in the details below.

(Hive)⚡Power delegation must be individual, time-limited, AND CONSTRAINED.
Otherwise, without fail, Oligarchies with combined, endless Power are formed.

Naturally, code is Law. Through the Community ideas below, we will demonstrate that it is possible to grow sustainable, self-governed, profitable Hive Communities & Apps on Hive WITHOUT FEAR of Powerful groups, curators or individuals.

⚠️ NOTE: These Hive5 posts are for IDEAS and ways that WE as Hivers feel could get Hive growing again, WITHOUT FEAR. Your ideas, concerns and reaffirmations in the Comment section below will help to improve and refine Hive as we go, so please SHARE YOUR IDEAS below as well! 💪🤠

Possible Fixes for Known Issues 🚨

  1. The downvote (DV) feature
  2. How income is affected from DV’s or upvotes (UV)
  3. Your reputation score can be nuked by one user with a lot of Hive Power (HP)
  4. Voting on users just because they have a lot of Power, a high reputation score or wallet balance (groveling, kowtowing)
  5. Your kids seeing NSFW content
  6. Vote counts are not from unique individuals
  7. Bots that always Vote a user, regardless of content posted
  8. Earnings and losses from Curator Votes (groveling, harassment, censorship, lobbying and corruption)
  9. DHF Proposals (waste, fraud, corruption)
  10. HBD use, peg “stability” and future viability (CBDC’s incoming)
  11. HP and Resource Credit (RC) Delegations
  12. New Feature: Cross-chain swaps needed (IBC, ILP, and HTLC ACCS); Eliminate our reliance on middlemen/cex’s
  13. Witnesses

1. The DV feature 👎

ProsCons
  1. Helps to hide NSFW content; Murder, pedos, porn, etc
  2. Helps to de-incentivize doxxing, rewards pool double-dips, aggressions and threats, plagiarism (from ai too), copyright and IP infringement, ID theft/deception, cybersecurity threats, etc
  3. Provides yin/yang balance of opinion, regardless of post age
  4. With HP removed from voting (see 2B below), more users will be willing to DV the content mentioned above WITHOUT FEAR of becoming a target for DV whales, and...
  5. This also eliminates the need to pay hivewatchers/spaminator.
  1. Currently reduces income (this could also be a Pro)
  2. Reduces user reputations (this could also be a Pro)

2A. How income is affected from 👎 DV’s or 👍 UV's

ProsCons
Income_is_REDUCED_due_to_DV’s
  1. Limit someone profiting from murder, pedos, porn, doxxing, rewards pool double-dips, aggressions and threats, plagiarism (from ai too), copyright and IP infringement, ID theft/deception, cybersecurity threats, etc
  1. Deters user from posting (this could also be a Pro)
  2. Encourages user to BAD-mouth Hive. Negative marketing (cite)

ProsCons
Income_is_INCREASED_due_to_UV’s
  1. Earn an income
  2. Increase your reputation
  3. Encourages user onboarding & FREE, word-of-mouth marketing/meetups
  4. Creates a self-sufficient economy of values at scale
  1. INITIALLY (until DV's bring yin/yang balance), it might encourage someone to post NSFW content, murder, pedophilia, porn, doxxing, rewards pool double-dips, aggressions and threats, plagiarism (from ai too), copyright and IP infringement, ID theft/deception, cybersecurity threats, etc

2B. How MUCH income is affected from post/comment Votes? 💰

  1. How much $HIVE you earn (or lose) with Votes, should not be based on HP anymore. (Hive)⚡Power delegation must be individual, time-limited, AND CONSTRAINED. Otherwise, without fail, Oligarchies with combined, endless Power are formed.
  2. The amount of $HIVE that is given to (or taken away from) a post can be weighted by:
    1. the average price of $HIVE in USD over the prior 24 hours of the post (rather than based on a timezone). We'll refer to that timeframe as "today". If usd price is unavailable from api’s or site scraping, then the last 3 days usd price gets averaged, and
    2. the remaining daily budget available for UV’s for "today", and
    3. divided by the number of active users on the chain in the last 24 hours.
    4. In other words, the value of everyone’s UV or DV "today" (because of $HIVE usd price fluctuations) will be equal, but also worth less and less as "today's" allotment is depleted (yin/yang balance).
  3. DV's (when possible) will return that proper, equated amount right BACK INTO the daily budget for use by other UV’ers taking place in that day's timeframe. Why? Imagine Hive blockchain only has 50 posts and $50 available to distribute today. If 1 post gets a billion UV's, then those UV's must be worth less and less as each one comes in so that other users actually earn something. No one post can earn more than that posts percentage of the total posts that have been placed in the last day. DV's reversing/returning funds also helps to increase a new user's income.
  4. Getting Hidden/Muted: If this guy gets 10 UV’s and 16 DV’s (51% more DV than UV), his individual post or comment will be flagged on-chain as "unliked" and muted by default until enough UV’s are received to reveal his post again. This is not time limited. Actual rewards payouts will remain at 6.5 days.

2C. Rights of the Living & Natural Law 📜

I mentioned Contracts above. Unless you willingly give (answer, write, say or sign away) your Power to someone (a CONTRACT), they have no right to force-ably control you physically, financially, or otherwise, unless of course you have justifiably endangered or harmed the life of a justifiably innocent living man, woman or child.

  • LAWS can be en-forced upon you due to Contract.
  • RULES are void of Contract, but if broken can deny you of services.
  • If you answer to a perceived "authority" or agree to obey, then you have formed a Contract and some punishments may become justifiable.

An example to ponder: If you’re an owner of a corpse-oration of some sort with Contracted workers or employees, then you have every right to control what value they must provide for you and the payments that your Business provides for them. Both parties voluntarily agree to a CONTRACT.

That owner however, no matter his perceived Power or wealth, has any right to force his will on others outside of his Business, in his community or throughout the world without a contract. His vote (UV or DV) has equal value with everyone else’s vote.

If you want to post controversial material, the blockchain itself doesn't care, but there are appropriate places for you to do so and there are plenty of Hive Communities available to choose from: Artists, Writers, Conspiracy, Science, NSFW... you name it, and they all have their own RULES. Posting in the wrong community results in DV's, so find a community with like-minded folks and form lifelong friendships.

2D. Deter Bot Voting 🤖

Deter automatic Votes by forcing the Voter or Bot to “sit” on the post they are going to Vote on for at least 50% of the time that it would take the average, UNIQUE living visitor to read the text and images on that post, before their Vote will have any effect at all. Front-end UX could even disable/grey the UV and DV buttons until the proper time has passed and put the sit-time remaining into a tooltip over the button.

A “UNIQUE” living man, woman or child (not a bot), can be determined and scored via IP addresses used, diverse IP’s over a short timeframe, current time, custom_json, low follower counts, lack of avatar image, weird username with no recognizable word in it, reputation score under 35, account age, no user description in the profile, irrelevant or repetitive/spammy comments, low comments on their posts, uneven distribution of their Votes and many other variables. Youtube, Reddit, the Fediverse network and others work in a similar way to determine realistic, unique view counts.

🚩 Note: If an account gets “flagged” as a bot, that user just needs to do a few quality posts or comments to get their reputation score up, new avatar image, profile description entered, improve comments, ip address renewed, etc.

3. Your reputation score can be nuked 💥 by one user with a lot of HP

  1. After HP is removed from voting, reset all reputation scores that got downvoted to a negative number to zero (0) to give them a second chance.
  2. We have seen brand new users (that have millions of followers outside of Hive) finally join Hive, only to get their initial 25 reputation score destroyed on their first day down to a -4 reputation score because of their research/opinion post on covid/coronavirus, flat earth, the Jewish faith, the President, chemtrails, Adolf Hitler, moon missions, the NWO, etc which hides/mutes all of their posts. Recovering from a negative reputation score is essentially impossible and the will to recover from that is very very low. That is not “Freedom of Speech” at all, it absolutely creates yet another advocate AGAINST Hive, and they'll scream censorship to all of their friends online and locally. It not only creates FEAR to post your opinions, but it also creates haters of Hive. They will go out and bash Hive every chance they get.
  3. (Hive)⚡Power delegation must be individual, time-limited, AND CONSTRAINED. Otherwise, without fail, Oligarchies with combined, endless Power are formed.
  4. Reputation scores will start to normalize organically with non-HP based voting.

4. Voting on users just because they have a lot of Power, a high reputation score or wallet balance (groveling, kowtowing)

  1. This perception will begin to fix itself automatically over time as users notice the yin/yang rebalancing and proper weighting of votes, no longer controlled by those in Power.

5. Your kids seeing NSFW content 👀

  1. Parenting is everything.
  2. FEAR of becoming a target of DV’ers has been removed, due to Voting no longer being controlled by HP, therefore many more people will be willing to DV a post to mute it if it contains such content. See #1 above.

6. Vote counts are not from unique individuals

  1. Did 100 people really just UV my post? WOW, was it really that good? Or was that one guy who’s butt I had to kiss to finally UV me? Curator accounts with endless HP delegated to them must end.
  2. Discovering posts of value comes from individuals. A post shows that 100 people gave it an UV (or DV), but that is not the truth.
  3. Bots must be stopped. See 2D above.

7. Bots that always Vote a user, regardless of content posted 🤖

  1. We seek truth. Not skewed numbers.
  2. Easily fixable. See 2D above.

8. Earnings and losses from Curator Votes (groveling, harassment, censorship, lobbying and corruption)

  1. Did 100 people actually read, agree with and enjoy my post? Or was that one Curator who made a decision to vote with the Power of 100 people? That's not realistic, truthful or indicative of actual value.
  2. Did 100 people really HATE my post that much? Or was that one Curator who made a decision to vote with the Power of 100 people to destroy me?
  3. Users will self-censor when they FEAR a DV (especially DV's from a Curator). See 3.2 above.
  4. Realistic voting must come from individual, unique, living users to acquire truthful opinion of a post's value.
  5. We must do away with Voter complacency. Hive has proven that delegating your Power to someone (especially when that delegation has no time-limit) results in complacency.
    No Vote at all is much better than inaccurate votes.
  6. Do away with Curator accounts; One vote per UNIQUE, living user who takes enough time to actually digest the post (see 2D above) and decide if it has value, or not. This reveals truth and realistic view counts helping to indicate popularity.
  7. People traditionally vote their Power to someone else so they'll be given free money, favors, etc. That never works out long term.
  8. One vote per unique, living user - New users (especially in poorer countries) will no longer have to worry about groveling for income or "getting lucky" with a big Curator.

Everyone gets an equal chance with One for One voting, AND a more predictable, FEAR-free, sustainable income.

9. DHF Proposals (waste, fraud, corruption)

For example:

  1. Contracts cannot exceed 1 year.
  2. Remove HP from the voting equation.
  3. Implement One for One voting (see #8 above)
  4. No monetary value allowed with UV or DV on DHF Proposals.
  5. This was an idea: Limit a user's HP to no more than n% of the HP required for approval
  6. DHF Proposal approvals need 51% support from non-bot (see 2D above) active users (users that have done at least 1 Powerup (stake) of >10 $HIVE within the past 3 months).
  7. DHF votes are only possible from users with a 35 reputation score or higher. Reputable who have spent at least some time on Hive and with a vested interest in seeing Hive succeed.
  8. Since HP delegations will now be time-limited to 32 days maximum (see 11 below), we no longer have to worry about groveling to a "whale" to vote for a DHF Proposal which breeds corruption, slush funds, kowtowing, etc.
  9. Partial payments of 25% will begin once Proposal enters its timeframe AND has >=85% of the required votes. With each additional 5% of required votes gained, payments go up another 25%. In other words, at 85% DHF recipient gets 25% of their DHF daily funds, at 90% user gets 50%, at 95% user gets 75% and at 100% user gets 100%. This also encourages the DHF recipient to keep posting about their work and progress.
  10. With everyone able to DV without FEAR and HP removed from voting, immediately defund Hivewatchers/Spaminator

10. HBD use, peg “stability” and future viability (CBDC’s incoming)

  1. A 20% interest rate on HBD is not sustainable as long as Hive active users are leaving, have a lack of earnings and live in FEAR of DV's.
  2. Very few CEX’s or bridges support HBD and insignificant outside money is purchasing Hive/HBD coins.
  3. My apologies, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but HBD coins appear to be created at will by an Inside Trader (a bot owner) who appears to be modifying the HBD price at will with a closed-source bot. Furthermore, it appears as if HBD is just a tool for whales (see hbdstats.com). 10,907,119 HBD in circulation outside the DHF, so how many TOTAL Hive users hold more than 10 HBD? 7,539,786 HBD are in savings, that means only 3,367,333 HBD are liquid on Hive right now. That means that **barely 10% of all HBD in existence are liquid.**
  4. HBD is loosely “pegged” to the USD fiat currency that could quite possibly be eliminated as the world reserve currency soon due to BRICS and others. Exit HBD (USD) positions soon before CBDC’s are implemented.
  5. In my opinion, $HIVE is a smarter long-term investment when it comes to accepting payments, rather than accepting HBD coins with the issues listed above. $HIVE is supported by most major CEX's too.
  6. Drop the HBD interest rate to 1% for now (which puts upward pressure on the $HIVE price) and raise the staked $HIVE interest rate to 7% which will encourage people to stake their $HIVE (this in turn increases funds available for UV's and Witness rewards).
  7. If you need a stable coin for trading, then buy the one that you like best from the free market. See #12 below.

11. HP and RC Delegations

  1. If you refer someone to Hive (?ref=) and they create an account, then auto-delegate RC to the new user, just enough and long enough (32 days) so that they can edit their profile a few times, UV a couple posts, and create 1 post and 2 comments (if possible). This will help to limit bots generating so many accounts, and won't leave new users “high and dry” anymore, wondering wtf.. "Ok, I have a Hive username now, yippee, now what?"
  2. All manual Delegations must also automatically revert in 1 to 32 days (customizable by the Delegator)
  3. Rename “Power Up” to “Stake” - Psychology; Remove the desire for “Power” from the Living psyche
  4. Powering Down, “Unstake” should be reduced from 13 weeks to 6 weeks. Emotional sell decisions can subside, and 6 weeks is still enough time for fork decisions to be made in case of a hack or other major issue report.

12. New Feature: Cross-chain swaps needed (IBC, ILP, and HTLC ACCS); Eliminate our reliance on middlemen/cex’s

  1. John J. and Chris S. have both done major research on this and it just needs implementation with the Hive chain so that if CEX’s are forced to drop support for $HIVE, or non-CBDC solutions become illegal in a country, we will still have plenty of on and off-ramp choices building liquidity via p2p swaps and true DEX’s.

13. Witnesses

  1. Votes for Witness node operators must also be time-limited and expire at one year. (cite)
  2. Witness approvals need 51% support from non-bot (see 2D above) active users (users that have done at least 1 Powerup (stake) of >10 $HIVE within the past 3 months).




This is version 1.3.1 of The Hive5 Project


⚠️ NOTE: These Hive5 posts are for IDEAS and ways that WE as Hivers feel could get Hive growing again, WITHOUT FEAR. Your ideas, concerns and reaffirmations in the Comment section below will help to improve and refine Hive as we go, so please SHARE YOUR IDEAS below as well! 💪🤠


The latest update on The Hive5 Project can always be found at this link: http://Hive5.info

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Reduces user reputations (this could also be a Pro)

This is legit the only thing you have changed from the last post..

So posting the same thing all the time? Why?

It's a lot of work to write a document and write the version revision amendments to it every week, that is worth at least a couple bux, plus gathering votes on the amended document for review and re-review are extremely important if you want to accurately determine consensus for the final document and get some eyeballs on it.

That's why.

I'm not gonna make people go to this link for this version and then go to that link for that revision and so on. One link to the most current version is the best way to go. Hive5.info

Understandable, but thats whats called "Recycling" content and its frowned upon.

You could just decline the rewards and it would be fine writing the same over and over again.

Some criticisms of these ideas - not indicative of disapproval of the undertaking of improving Hive, but to prevent fixing one thing to break two.

"No one post can earn more than that posts percentage of the total posts that have been placed in the last day."

This eliminates the actual curative effect of upvoting content. Curation by a multitude cannot become promotion of superlative content, and all content is equalized, preventing better content from being better rewarded. Basically Communism, and unacceptable.

"...10 UV’s and 16 DV’s (51% more DV than UV), his individual post or comment will be flagged on-chain as "unliked" and muted by default until enough UV’s are received to reveal his post again."

The problem is that some users have >10k accounts, and can simply activate hordes of bots to deploy numbers of votes instead of weight of stake. This is not curative for the problems stake weighting creates by promulgating oligarchies. It simply changes the vector for that promulgation.

Censorship is necessary to prevent spam, scams, and plagiarism, but it is intolerable applied to opinions. There is some necessity to segregate content by it's nature, but I haven't seen any mechanisms proposed that aren't fraught with worse dangers than such content presents. It is also necessary to enable society to promote content via curative volume, where equalization of the value of UV's can be rationally applied. There needs also to be a mechanism that enables the weight of stake to apply to preferences of plutocrats, but the memo function and etc. enables such emoluments to issue. It simply isn't necessary for stake to weight curation and undermine social valuation.

"His vote (UV or DV) has equal value with everyone else’s vote."

This is simply factually false. It could be made true onchain, but that can be obviated via hordes of bots with facility, so such forcing isn't potentially useful. Greater stake has greater power IRL, and that's simply the fact. It is better to seek in some way to enable freedom of speech to not be suppressed or promoted via stake (or hordes of bots), but for curation by actual human users to promote or suppress content. I see no way this can be done absent nominal oracles. I see no way to implement nominal oracles. That doesn't mean there isn't any way to do it. It just means I am incompetent to propose any.

As much later in your post depends on these matters, I will leave my comments at this point, that your considerations might benefit as you prefer from this information, but you not be burdened with excessive commentary I am more than capable of issuing.

Thanks!

This is an excellent post imo. Obviously a lot of thought and work has gone into this. Thank you for your work toward increasing decentralisation.

i have read all. Not sure re. HBD interest and maybe a couple of other points. Following the post (fyi - bookmarking a post using ecency effectively follows the post as one then receives notifications for any new comments under the post - if users are aware of this feature and use it, cimment engagement could vastly increase btw.).

Hoping to see lots of discussion re. this. @anomadsoul, @khaleelkazi, @theycallmedan, @thelogicaldude, @gadrian, @revisesociology - interested in hearing your thoughts on this subject.

One point for consideration:

2D. Vouching for other Hive users.
If you personally know someone or have interacted enough with someone to know they are a real person, you could Vouch for them (a web of trust) which could increase their reputation (and perhaps yours). If however the user you vouched for (the Vouchee) turns out to be a sock-puppet or bad actor, you (the Vouchor) could lose reputation.

Sat Nam
Atma

#matrix8fixesthis

Great point Atma! If a friend of mine posts something of value, I'll probably upvote it, which helps out their reputation score. I do not upvote absolutely everything that a friend of mine posts though, or at least not a 100% upvote. That in itself creates that web of trust imo, since it shows that I am not a "yes man" and don't just agree with him/her because we are friends. True friends are encouraged to express their true opinions with one another. Now that friend knows for certain that they will always get the honest truth from me, even if it initially might feel hurtful. Trust is earned.

Hey Ken. i wonder if you see the essential need for anonymity of members in community governance consensus decisions?

Peace & love brother

Hey Atma! :)
I do indeed and that is one reason why I had invested on $OXEN originally. Random, anonymous Service Nodes. Just stake some coin into one and you don't really know whom the money is going to. Recently, they are deciding to change their coin agi thoug and remove some of the private features, so I am rethinking that coin now. I think some gov agents must have pressured them (those guys mostly work together in an office), just a vibe I get.

Anyway, a massive change like that for Hive just isn't feasible at the moment, it would literally mean thousands of lines of new code and would affect many other variables on the chain. Hive is like the antithesis of vote anonymity. We are a transparency chain, not a privacy chain.

Right, understood. The governance consensus/voting mechanism could be done on a separate chain, but as you say that's too massive for Hive at the moment. It would need to be tried and tested elsewhere first. And there are some setting up in that way already.

i'm aware of the Oxen issues, also having a few.

The algorithm which adjusts Reputation score up or down, depending upon such factors as up/down votes received, would need to have a weighting factor for each category of factors. Make sense?

Yes, the reputation scoring system does need some work, but I think a couple the core devs are already on it.

The way i see it is that there could/would be 2 different Trusted Reputation scores.

  1. For the anonymous member of the community governance governance system.
  2. For the pseudo-anonymous or not anonymous members of the group being governed (in a DAO like structure). This is the Reputation score formed within public chat-room / forums or RL actions etc.

The two Reputation scores for each person would not be linked, i don't think.

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It's a lot of work @guiltyparties to write a document and write the version revision amendments to it every week, that is worth at least a couple bux, plus gathering votes on the amended document for review and re-review are extremely important if you want to accurately determine consensus for the final document and get some eyeballs on it.

I'm not gonna make people go to this link for this version and then go to that link for that revision and so on. One link to the most current version is the best way to go. Hive5.info

You feel however, that I should work for free, well thanks a lot. Ok fine, I will burn all rewards on these weekly Hive5 posts.

We're trying to HELP Hive to grow again in case you hadn't noticed.