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I like classism, assuming it includes local governments.

I too like Inherent Division among people in the world as long as it includes everybody.

What does that mean, as in private property rights?

It's the ultimate Right Vs Wrong moral dilemma, rights don't mean shit all. What happens when the poor eat the rich or the rich eat the poor? Does it matter if it's "consensual", dickhead?

#cognitive-bias-FirstWorldProblems

I believe in rights and I believe in free markets. I do not believe in equality. I believe that you should have the freedom to do what you want to do. I do not want to put you in jail.

What's your problem with Equality. Out of all the things NOT to believe in, you chose Equality. You don't believe in Equal Justice for all, because how can you have Equal Justice without Equal, hence you don't believe in rights as without Equality what are rights, and the same for free markets, you don't believe in free markets because you cannot have freedom without Equality, without a blatant recognition of what is In-Alienable, what is the ultimate Equality. You believe in inherent division, favoritism , so what the fuck do you need rights when rights have absolutely nothing to do with that, or the free market. Gosh forbid that Education is funded by taxation, that Health and Housing is also funded through taxation.

This is you:

Instead of focusing on the ever increasing divide between the have's and have not's and brainstorm possible fixes, let me tell you about some bloviated nonsense like what I think I believe in, enter Free Markets and Rights, but exit Equality, that should demonstrate how retarded I truly am

Justice should be objective and universal from God Himself, from his ruling. Without God, things can become too relative and subjective. The term of equality has been co-op and weaponized by the radical left to mean communism which is what I'm really against. They're always changing the definition to words. If you want a big house, you got to work hard to get it. But some have a lot and some have a little. Equality of opportunities can be good but welfare has damaged African Americans in the USA in the 1900's to ruin the roaring not 1920's but the roaring 1890's.

Justice should be objective and universal from God Himself, from his ruling. Without God, things can become too relative and subjective.

Yeah, let's make grand declarations that are completely nonsensical and undermine our previous pointless stance. No thank you.

You think that Black people were damaged by WELFARE? Maybe fairly recently but there's an entire generation of people ALIVE right now that can tell you all about Life in the USA circa 1960's and earlier, all that WELFARE...

You're really against Communism? What you mean to say, and what should drop from your mouth a lot more often, is that you are against WHAT YOU THINK IS communISm. Yeah, I know, it's those damn Evil Leftist who don't think that education, healthcare or justice should be for sale, but given as freely and in as much abundance as possible, those people are to blame for why you don't believe in Equality or the meaning of words, or whatever.

That's 100% true @baah :-) And we'll never get rid of all hierarchies; even in socialism there are still leaders and followers, that's just how we tick. But class, that is hierarchy grounded on material wealth with large gaps between them, that we can solve. We'll have to.

We'll have to.

Some say we have a problem of ever increasing efficiency of machines and their obvious continued impact on the vulnerable resource "hierarchy", but others say that's not the problem, but the distribution of resources, the hierarchy itself, which is what you seem to think. It seems you see a problem of ever increasing division based on wealth and you see it lead to the poor eating the rich and vice versa;

UBI could work for now, as a temporary solution to soften the effects of the current pandemic and any other future economic disruptions. But it should be fought tooth and nail as a permanent "solution" to unemployment.

The reality, UBI has been tried, tested in numerous communities. You seem to think that ubi hasn't been tried, hasn't been studied for over half a century. Poverty isn't around because "workers don't own the machines" and if you were to define Capitalists in your "future where workers own the machines because they made them" it would be the people who own the minerals and raw material because they Own It, and not necessarily those that extract it, and obviously

the ones who make money through ownership of capital

vs

the ones who make money through labor

Which will obviously be The Workers who Boss the Machines, the few that "own machines because they made them, because" which can only exist in a utopia where the resources for making machines and incentives to do so are entirely intrinsic to such a reality, where machine parts just manifest for workers to assemble, or that resources for machine parts just manifest and that workers just yearn to turn them into machine parts, and society is based entirely around machines.

How many workers do you think Make Machines for someone else?

How many of those workers could Live because they own whatever machine they made?

It doesn't matter, because we aren't part of such a reality. In our reality, one machine displaces thousands of workers as will ever increasing efficiency continue to do so, and nobody is "entitled" to own something simply because they assemble it. It seems, getting paid for making machines doesn't cut it, you're entitled to the machines themselves, heck, fuck private property, those capitalists don't have to work, exactly like the future where machines are assembled by workers that own them, who don't work, but build machines as a hobby..

The reality, UBI has been tried, tested in numerous communities.

I know.

You seem to think that ubi hasn't been tried, hasn't been studied for over half a century.

No, I don't.

It doesn't matter, because we aren't part of such a reality.

That's obvious.

It seems, getting paid for making machines doesn't cut it

Of course not.

...fuck private property...

Indeed.

Workers do more than just "make machines". I really don't know what you're trying to say; you make no sense at all. It's not so hard a point this post makes: as long as the means of production, whatever they may be, are in the hands of a few individuals, the underlying problems that caused the circumstances under which a UBI seems like a reasonable solution will not be solved and the gap between rich and poor will grow.