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RE: I'm going to try my hand at some hate speech...

in Deep Dives10 months ago

Yep. The list of things I say I hate are very short.

I consider them carefully. Are their exceptions to this thing? If there are then I will not say it.

For me hate is much stronger than dislike. I don't use it easily.

Also if you read a lot of the things I said I hate. Some of them I did not say I hated the person... I stated I hate the act.

"I hate when something is called racism or racist when nothing racial is mentioned."

Nothing about hating the person. I hate when they do these actions.

In fact there is really still only one group of people I tend to hate. I consider them pumping poison knowingly into society.

"I hate the willfully ignorant. Those who admitted something was incorrect but they continue to push it anyway."

Pretty much everything else I hate is just certain actions. Not the people.

I easily separate the two things in my mind.

A person can have great actions, and bad actions and still be the same person.

Though I think the label "hate speech" is total and complete bullshit.

It really is just a convenient label used to censor anything a particular person doesn't want to hear or be allowed to be heard.

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Sorry for the confusion. Maybe I over simplified my reply and focused too much on a few things you said you hate without elaborating which in turn might because I just wanted to say what I said, not directed at you.

I didn't mean you hate the persons, I used "them" to refer to the things you mentioned.

Perhaps much like you hate hate speech labelling (and labelling not in a careful manner), I feel that if we are not careful, we might also be labelling certain behaviours as soon as we see them, without learning the context.

The reason why I wanted to say what I said might be that I am afraid we might fall into a vicious circle of opposing one another, and something much more terrible is being brewed when we are occupied by all these and other differences.

I worry what else is happening when people are set against people.

Well I think we need to drop the "hate speech" label.

Get back to calling things WRONG, INCORRECT, etc. but be able to back up WHY those things are WRONG, or INCORRECT. Don't just say it and expect people to agree.

If we have FREE SPEECH then we should be able to say incorrect things. Yet we should also have the ability to challenge those incorrect things with our words.

Right now the authoritarians shut down any challenge to things they want to be the dogmatic narrative. "Hate speech" is one of the many labels they use to accomplish that.

Agree. And the same applies to the other things you mentioned. I mean even that kind of things really happen, the way we are labelling things simply because of some similarities, without considering the contexts just aren't helping. Kind of absurd to be honest.

I am not sure if I want to call everyone who support or go along with such narratives authoritarians, that will be a whole lot of people. Some of them might even really believe they are supporting those values. Having said that, yes, I do think that there are many who do not know or do not care what they are doing. Whether seeing that they can take advantage of it, or simply want to stay "in-group".