I agree with you, in everything. First of all about the responsibility while pick up some information and what to do with. Choosing the sources of information can help a bit, as the m.s. media is not there to keep us informed. Their purpose is to 1. Make money 2. Control the mass
Secondly, I agree with you that freedom is something we are long way away from. Every day a step further.
People seems to believe in everything because it is too difficult to think, it's better to be in a comfort zone and be distracted with some short term pleasures. This one is not soo encouraging in the situation.. as the critical mass could change something but still sleeping.
People seems to believe in everything because it is too difficult to think
You would say the young generation we have to rely on, the generation that is not yet polluted with whatever goes on in the world. But here also, I have my doubts. Recently I saw a whole range of youngsters (students and all) claiming COVID is a hoax. Hopefully this is just a small minority in their age group.
That said, I don't think the widespread use of social media instead of the traditional, more curated channels, are helping. As we all know, social media is even worse (I think: much worse) than the main stream media in terms of luring people into a tunnel. whatever tunnel of information it is.
I've experimented myself a little bit with FB last half a year. The moment I started to like some fake news story, quickly I got a lot of similar stories in my timeline, at the top, or close to the top, pushing my friends posts down to the bottom of my feed. Same happens with my experiments by liking and commenting to posts of FB friends I rarely had in my timeline before. These experiments and FB behaviours showed me FB doesn't care what is in the top of my timeline, my friends with whatever they post, real news, or fake news. FB algorithms seems to work in a way it quickly reacts to changes in my usual patterns and bring me more of the same to what I reacted to recently.
Similar I see with Twitter: Ran some experiments with that service as well. Seems Twitter takes a little longer to adjust to changes in my normal patterns, but still, also at Twitter it's easy to create a tunnel for ourselves.
The problem though: We can't stop technology. We can't stop usage of social media. And we seem to have to deal with people who consume and make whatever they consume their own, instead of first questioning the information we consume before we decide to make it our own or not.
At moments when I'm not thinking too positive, all of this scares me a lot since curating the timelines by organisations will be the only way forward. That in itself will drive more people to shit on all these services (but still continuing using it), and more and more people will find platforms like we have here (HIVE), not curated, with so it seems (to me) a larger percentage of users living in their own tunnels of fake news and being vocal about it, spreading their words and all.
I really hope we can stay away from a path to full control of information, but in those moments I can't believe we are heading to something else than just that.
There's something I picked up from my life. Freedom comes with greater responsibility and the need of common sense. Unfortunately, some I found has either or doesn't have both but want absolute freedom.
because a too large a number of people are gullible, naive, and refrain from questioning whatever someone else tells them
We must also be aware of information bias on both sides caused by the psychological influence that information has when it is repeated enough times in the public sphere.
This is the psychology of marketing and also of propaganda.
Not many are so aware that we now live in an age of censorship.
If the truth is so true on either side, why is censorship of informations to a democratic nation so important. It undermines the veracity of truth.
Most people like to think themselves critical thinkers in the present media paradigm but time and time again just go along with the popular flow.
As you pointed out, many of us may think they are critical thinkers, but go along with the popular flow. That says enough: We are not ready to live in a more free society. As long as the majority of people go wit the popular flow, we need to control information flow to make sure the popular flow will not be something totally bad for the people. Something I dont like to see happening, meaning censorship should not happen, but it is required to protect a community/society. Just yet, I was chatting with someone in the phishing/smishing (phising through text messages) protection business, and he told me also young people (teenagers, young adults) are falling for these smishin attacks, some of them asking their friends if such and such message is true or false. When youngster who grown up in the digital age, cant recognise fake from real in such very simple cases, then I think we are a really ling way away from being able to live in a more free society. How sad this may sound.
I see your point but you've just justified fascism.
You use strong words... I have not affinity whatsoever with such thoughts; I just point out the reality.
I feel it is better to let humanity crash and burn, the only way we learn (and really learn) is through pain.
Hmmm, interesting. Such crash and burn could mean the overtacking of control by a few corporates driving the same what you call fascism. I dont think we want that to happen, do we? Next few decades we have to make sure technology will not be in the hands of a few, whatever form of economy will not be in the hands of a few, and with that control will not be in the hands of a few. Reality is that a few have all these knowledge and control already. In the fiat world. But certianly in the crypto world... the world that should be the driver of free societies, but in reality its taking as much power and money from all the rest. Ok, am a bit black/white with these statements, but am not far from the truth for a bunch of people moving around in crypto space. I tend to look at things positively, but from time to time reality hits and negative feelings about our future start to arrise.
That said, will fight for the good, honesty, continue to try to bring the message across as I try to do in my post, and continue to try to open the eyes of people who are too much followers. Hoepfully at one point in time we can have enough people around to be able to progress to more freedom :) Looking forward to that moment for sure :)
I don't disagree with you. It's a catch twenty two.
Fascism if you do, fascism if you don't.
Who is gonna be the one that presses the button of control?
Self-responsibility is the solution but who takes this option? This means facing personal pain now and willingly in order to avoid a greater pain in the future.
What we need more than anything is the foundation of a society that allows freedom without abuse - as one person's freedom is another person's tyranny.
What you state is stated with good intention I see - but i quickly see how your suggested methods of control cause greater problems in the future. As soon as we justify censorship in one sphere of information it becomes just as easy to press that same button in other areas.
Before you know it, everything you do and say is controlled 'for the betterment of humanity'.
And likely it won't be an altruistic or benevolent you or I that is creating this new framework for control it will be the powers that be which we have already come to distrust for all of their corruption.
My take home is this - people should stop trying to control each other.
There is amazing levels of corruption on both sides of this political dilemma happening in America - who are you to say in all of your wisdom that you are right?
I think we both want the same to happen; Our goals are the same at least, a society of freedom without control by others, an individual, an entity or whatsoever. The path towards such future, is where we deviate. I don't have the truth in my hands and never will. I only have suggestions. I think we need to find ways to get to the future we want and whatever path we go, we have to make sure we progressing to that goal. Its not that black and white. If control by some system is bound to move towards full control with no freedom to the people, this would've happened a long time ago already. I dont say we are on the perfect path towards our endgoal, we may want to (even need to) shift lanes. However I doubt we shall move to the lane where no control is executed, not today, and likely not anytime soon, since too many people will not be able to travel with us, while at the same time the bad actors will likely take control and pushes us to the lanes of more control then we are dealing with today. Sure, you may say: We can't look into the future, whatever happens then we will have to wait for until the future is the current moment. I think we really need to explore the roads (lanes) between as much freedom as possible, whilst bringing the mass to the end goal without the chance of a total reset of our societies with all the unpredictable outcomes we can imagine.
That said, I understand we are not on the same page wrt how we reach our endgoal which we share :)
Sure, well we can disagree non-violently without ending in a resolution to control each other. lol
If control by some system is bound to move towards full control with no freedom to the people, this would've happened a long time ago already.
I disagree with this wholeheartedly. For this moment, the people hold power still and their perspectives still have sway in politics no matter how non-critical they may be.
But with the advent of high technology, the people no longer need to be listened to. They can simply be controlled by those with the tech.
We're moving into a completely different world. Those megalomaniacs that previously were held back by the will of the people - now with both high technology and an unprecedented knowledge of the human mind - have a greater ability than ever to assert a plan for total dominion.
It's not a conspiracy, it's all out there for those that want to read it and do their research. At least it is, until someone decides that it's against the people's best interest to read about such things and decides to mandate laws that censor such content.
I agree with you, in everything. First of all about the responsibility while pick up some information and what to do with. Choosing the sources of information can help a bit, as the m.s. media is not there to keep us informed. Their purpose is to 1. Make money 2. Control the mass
Secondly, I agree with you that freedom is something we are long way away from. Every day a step further.
People seems to believe in everything because it is too difficult to think, it's better to be in a comfort zone and be distracted with some short term pleasures. This one is not soo encouraging in the situation.. as the critical mass could change something but still sleeping.
You would say the young generation we have to rely on, the generation that is not yet polluted with whatever goes on in the world. But here also, I have my doubts. Recently I saw a whole range of youngsters (students and all) claiming COVID is a hoax. Hopefully this is just a small minority in their age group.
That said, I don't think the widespread use of social media instead of the traditional, more curated channels, are helping. As we all know, social media is even worse (I think: much worse) than the main stream media in terms of luring people into a tunnel. whatever tunnel of information it is.
I've experimented myself a little bit with FB last half a year. The moment I started to like some fake news story, quickly I got a lot of similar stories in my timeline, at the top, or close to the top, pushing my friends posts down to the bottom of my feed. Same happens with my experiments by liking and commenting to posts of FB friends I rarely had in my timeline before. These experiments and FB behaviours showed me FB doesn't care what is in the top of my timeline, my friends with whatever they post, real news, or fake news. FB algorithms seems to work in a way it quickly reacts to changes in my usual patterns and bring me more of the same to what I reacted to recently.
Similar I see with Twitter: Ran some experiments with that service as well. Seems Twitter takes a little longer to adjust to changes in my normal patterns, but still, also at Twitter it's easy to create a tunnel for ourselves.
The problem though: We can't stop technology. We can't stop usage of social media. And we seem to have to deal with people who consume and make whatever they consume their own, instead of first questioning the information we consume before we decide to make it our own or not.
At moments when I'm not thinking too positive, all of this scares me a lot since curating the timelines by organisations will be the only way forward. That in itself will drive more people to shit on all these services (but still continuing using it), and more and more people will find platforms like we have here (HIVE), not curated, with so it seems (to me) a larger percentage of users living in their own tunnels of fake news and being vocal about it, spreading their words and all.
I really hope we can stay away from a path to full control of information, but in those moments I can't believe we are heading to something else than just that.
Sad, very Sad :(
There's something I picked up from my life. Freedom comes with greater responsibility and the need of common sense. Unfortunately, some I found has either or doesn't have both but want absolute freedom.
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We must also be aware of information bias on both sides caused by the psychological influence that information has when it is repeated enough times in the public sphere.
This is the psychology of marketing and also of propaganda.
Not many are so aware that we now live in an age of censorship.
If the truth is so true on either side, why is censorship of informations to a democratic nation so important. It undermines the veracity of truth.
Most people like to think themselves critical thinkers in the present media paradigm but time and time again just go along with the popular flow.
As you pointed out, many of us may think they are critical thinkers, but go along with the popular flow. That says enough: We are not ready to live in a more free society. As long as the majority of people go wit the popular flow, we need to control information flow to make sure the popular flow will not be something totally bad for the people. Something I dont like to see happening, meaning censorship should not happen, but it is required to protect a community/society. Just yet, I was chatting with someone in the phishing/smishing (phising through text messages) protection business, and he told me also young people (teenagers, young adults) are falling for these smishin attacks, some of them asking their friends if such and such message is true or false. When youngster who grown up in the digital age, cant recognise fake from real in such very simple cases, then I think we are a really ling way away from being able to live in a more free society. How sad this may sound.
I see your point but you've just justified fascism.
Are you ok with that?
I feel it is better to let humanity crash and burn, the only way we learn (and really learn) is through pain.
How much coddling do we need and how much good has that done us in the past? We live in a society of coddling.
What we need are uncensorable platforms that can't be destroyed by any one perspective.
Ok, we have one here.
You use strong words... I have not affinity whatsoever with such thoughts; I just point out the reality.
Hmmm, interesting. Such crash and burn could mean the overtacking of control by a few corporates driving the same what you call fascism. I dont think we want that to happen, do we? Next few decades we have to make sure technology will not be in the hands of a few, whatever form of economy will not be in the hands of a few, and with that control will not be in the hands of a few. Reality is that a few have all these knowledge and control already. In the fiat world. But certianly in the crypto world... the world that should be the driver of free societies, but in reality its taking as much power and money from all the rest. Ok, am a bit black/white with these statements, but am not far from the truth for a bunch of people moving around in crypto space. I tend to look at things positively, but from time to time reality hits and negative feelings about our future start to arrise.
That said, will fight for the good, honesty, continue to try to bring the message across as I try to do in my post, and continue to try to open the eyes of people who are too much followers. Hoepfully at one point in time we can have enough people around to be able to progress to more freedom :) Looking forward to that moment for sure :)
I don't disagree with you. It's a catch twenty two.
Fascism if you do, fascism if you don't.
Who is gonna be the one that presses the button of control?
Self-responsibility is the solution but who takes this option? This means facing personal pain now and willingly in order to avoid a greater pain in the future.
What we need more than anything is the foundation of a society that allows freedom without abuse - as one person's freedom is another person's tyranny.
What you state is stated with good intention I see - but i quickly see how your suggested methods of control cause greater problems in the future. As soon as we justify censorship in one sphere of information it becomes just as easy to press that same button in other areas.
Before you know it, everything you do and say is controlled 'for the betterment of humanity'.
And likely it won't be an altruistic or benevolent you or I that is creating this new framework for control it will be the powers that be which we have already come to distrust for all of their corruption.
My take home is this - people should stop trying to control each other.
There is amazing levels of corruption on both sides of this political dilemma happening in America - who are you to say in all of your wisdom that you are right?
I think we both want the same to happen; Our goals are the same at least, a society of freedom without control by others, an individual, an entity or whatsoever. The path towards such future, is where we deviate. I don't have the truth in my hands and never will. I only have suggestions. I think we need to find ways to get to the future we want and whatever path we go, we have to make sure we progressing to that goal. Its not that black and white. If control by some system is bound to move towards full control with no freedom to the people, this would've happened a long time ago already. I dont say we are on the perfect path towards our endgoal, we may want to (even need to) shift lanes. However I doubt we shall move to the lane where no control is executed, not today, and likely not anytime soon, since too many people will not be able to travel with us, while at the same time the bad actors will likely take control and pushes us to the lanes of more control then we are dealing with today. Sure, you may say: We can't look into the future, whatever happens then we will have to wait for until the future is the current moment. I think we really need to explore the roads (lanes) between as much freedom as possible, whilst bringing the mass to the end goal without the chance of a total reset of our societies with all the unpredictable outcomes we can imagine.
That said, I understand we are not on the same page wrt how we reach our endgoal which we share :)
Sure, well we can disagree non-violently without ending in a resolution to control each other. lol
I disagree with this wholeheartedly. For this moment, the people hold power still and their perspectives still have sway in politics no matter how non-critical they may be.
But with the advent of high technology, the people no longer need to be listened to. They can simply be controlled by those with the tech.
We're moving into a completely different world. Those megalomaniacs that previously were held back by the will of the people - now with both high technology and an unprecedented knowledge of the human mind - have a greater ability than ever to assert a plan for total dominion.
It's not a conspiracy, it's all out there for those that want to read it and do their research. At least it is, until someone decides that it's against the people's best interest to read about such things and decides to mandate laws that censor such content.
No, you point out a perspective. To state that you point out 'the reality' is solipsism.
Ok, I should've said a high likelyhood :)
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