Are the Coronavirus Death Counts Accurate?

in Deep Dives4 years ago (edited)

The numbers of cornavirus deaths aren't likely accurate. Why? Because any death where coronavirus disease 2019 is present is being counted as a coronavirus death, even though it could be from something else they want to count it as a COVID-19 death. There is little coverage of the CDC directive on how to issue death certificates related to COVID-19 deaths.

The CDC via the National Vital Statistics System (NVSS) issued a guidance directive on March 4th for how to certify deaths involving COVID-19. It said:

"It is important to emphasize that Coronavirus Disease 2019 or COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death."


"If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II."

You can see this directive being applied across states:

That's right. Any death where COVID-19 has been detected can be listed as an official COVID-19 death if the doctor deems it to be so. No need for a real autopsy to determine if the COVID-19 caused the death or not. Anyone who dies be it from heart failure for example, and happens to have COVID-19, that's an OFFICIAL COVID-19 death.

The April guidance from the CDC goes on to say that:

cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed."

Doctors don't need a confirmation test of COVID-19 even being present at all, but can use their judgment to determine if COVID-19 is present or not, and still count it as a COVID-19 death.

On April 7th, the White House's Dr. Birx said:

"If someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death."

She even compares it to how other countries treat deaths from heart of kidney problems as dying from those problems, contrary to how the US is now do it, i.e. counting those types of deaths as CVOVID-19 deaths:

“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”

You can see the video her saying this here.

Wow. Are the media talking about this issue of how to count COVID-19 deaths? Not really. They do rebut claims of inflated numbers though. Like this title "Fauci dismisses 'conspiracy theory' of overstated US Covid-19 death toll"

“I think it falls under the category of something that’s very unfortunate – these conspiracy theories that we hear about. Any time we have a crisis of any sort there is always this popping up of conspiracy theories."

Yup. It's all bullshit then. No inflated death counts. It's all made up. Trust your "experts" and "authorities". Don't read things for yourself. Move along.


My father in law said a patient that was getting dialysis where he also get's it, died. He had diabetes, he weighed 300 pounds and had no functioning kidneys. Guess what he died of? There is no other cause of death anymore. It's such a joke I want to tear my hair out. Certificate Of Vaccination I.D. for everyone.

Yeah its sad that we are being lied to and the world buys it up. Flu could have done him in, and no one would be freaking out. Same thing except the media is pushing an agenda to bring in vaccines and control.

I actually saw on the bbc today - 90% of covid deaths had a co-morbidity (U.K.) from the ONS.

It was only on the text feed but at least it was there!

Damn, thats high. They were on the way out and the virus just quickened it. I bet they could still be alive with proper treatments that the media and most doctors ignore.

Every death on the planet is Covid-19 now ;)

I've never came across a report of covid19 as direct death cause, it's either covid19 was a helping hand or not even related.
I'm guessing we don't even have the accurate measures for testing. Someone I know just literally showed all the symptoms and not one national hospital in my region took the action to quarantine her or test her, they just let her go home afraid and wondering.

I don't have as much of a problem with COVID-19 being listed as the cause even though there were other contributing factors. My problem is that (at least this is my understanding) in some cases they are calling the death a COVID-19 death based on symptoms alone, not necessarily a positive test result. I'll be real interested to see how many flu deaths there are this year compared to other years. I suppose you could look at the numbers of other types of deaths too... heart disease, kidney failure, pneumonia, etc. and see how they compare last year vs. this year.

From previous years? Because this year, the heart, kidney etc deaths are mostly covid deaths... no real numbers anymore...

That's what I mean. Flu, for instance (in combination with pneumonia) is normally the 7th leading cause of death in the U.S. What will it be this year? Things like that will be a good indicator of how inflated the covid deaths are.

I come to Hive for my sanity, to remind myself that the whole world isn't blind. Thanks for this post!!

Welcome to the sanity among the insanity ;)