Normalizing Control and Obedience to Authority

in Deep Dives4 years ago (edited)

Once upon a time, you got to go to work, to run your business, to see friends, to hang out, to do things you normally do. Then the government decided you can't. You're not allowed. They won't let you. And if you try to defy them, they will steal your money or lock you in a cage.

This is what has happened with the alleged worldwide immense threat of the dangerous novel coronavirus. You were told it was dangerous. Life threatening. A killer unlike anything ever seen since the flu of 1918. But that wasn't true. You, most likely being under 60, weren't in much danger at all. That didn't matter. You had to stop doing things. You might even of had to stop going to work. You might even of had to go to mile-long line ups for food donations.

Then the benevolent overlords said they were going to open things back up. But slowly. They let some people back to work, but not everyone. They let some business resume operations, and then a bit more, like gyms and bars and restaurants. Some areas opened up beaches. Life was getting back to the way it was.


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And then the cases of COVID-19 started to rise. It's all over the news. CASES, CASES, CASES!!! The media stopped talking about deaths that are dropping, and focused on cases that rise as more testing is done. The leaders and experts scoffed and said, see, this is the second wave, COVID-19 is a huge threat, and if you don't do what we say, you will surely die. Or, some of you will, some small percentage of you. And a lot less if we informed you of immune boosting nutrients, or let you use HCQ to treat the infection.

And so the openings are in reverse and things are closing up again. Beaches, bars, restaurants and other indoor operations are being halted by the saviors in government who know best.

Business do as their told. They hold on, hoping they can get to reopen before they go bankrupt. Then they get to after a few months, only to be forced to shutdown again after a few weeks. How much can be people hold on and use their savings to keep their shutdown business afloat?

Close. Open. Close. Open...

The shutdown, open, shutdown, open, is being repeated. Over and over, it's being conditioned into to us to accept that the government has a right to tell us whether we can have our businesses open or not. But they don't have that right. Yet we are being conditioned to accept this as normal through repetition and obedience.

Habits are conditioned this way. Doing something over and over makes it ingrained where we do it without thinking. It becomes just a part of life. Many people drive home and realize where they are at some point, not realizing they drove that far already. We usually put things in a certain place in our homes, like a brush, shoes, etc. if you decided to change the location of something from where it normally is,, you will likely keep going to where it was until you condition yourself to go to the new location by habit.

Wear a mask in school even though children have are not likely to be infected, don't transmit an infection to their parents, nor are at all likely to die. Obedience to authorities to do what you're told is again being normalized. There is no risk to or from children, yet they are being imposed masks that make breathing more difficult, and social destruction measures that make them depressed.

Think of the rules in restaurants. COVID is so deadly you need to wear a mask to get into the restaurant and sit down. Then when you sit down, you are safe from COVID. If you gather with a lot of people, COVID is deadly, except if you protest in BLM. It's a magical virus.

Trust your government. They know what's best. They look out for you.

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How lethal would it have to be that you would accept to act against the pandemic? And not only the lethality, but long-term damages the infection can cause to the survivors. Even worse, the time how long the antibodies remain in the body is unclear and the fact that the virus can mutate are making it possible for the virus to continue circulating for a long time. Just like with influenza virus.

There are countries which had acted more swiftly and have managed so far with far less infections and deaths. Short, temporary actions tend to extend if they have been too slow or have been ignored.

But you can be angry at the government if you want. Most of those who are angry at the government now are always angry at the government.

countries which had acted more swiftly and have managed so far with far less infections and deaths

This does not bear out. Look at Italy, the first country in Europe to lockdown and harder than elsewhere yet the rates soared.

New Zealand, cut themselves off from the rest of the world (easy being surrounded by water) and after a time proudly announced they had defeated the virus, with no further infections or deaths. And then a couple of weeks later, it started again.

In the long term, lockdowns are ineffective and destroy the infrastructure that provide the goods and services we need.

Lockdowns cannot be indefinite.

As for facts, the numbers tell the story, while cases of infection are on the rise again, death rates are not matching this.

You can explore the statistics worldwide from these charts.

https://mackuba.eu/corona/#compare_countries?val=d&c=us-ny,us-ca,us-tx,us-fl,us-nj,us-il,us-az,us-ma,us-ga,us-pa

@krnel also raises very valid points, the government rules are ad hoc.

Think of the rules in restaurants. COVID is so deadly you need to wear a mask to get into the restaurant and sit down. Then when you sit down, you are safe from COVID. If you gather with a lot of people, COVID is deadly, except if you protest in BLM. It's a magical virus.

The issue with Italy is that they ignored safety measures and pretty much continued as normal.

I'm not sure why you're bringing New Zealand as an example. They cut themselves off the rest of the world and now they have cases again, just as you said. But in entire New Zealand it's been zero or few new cases per day. They don't have new cases even daily. And as the spread is extremely minimal, they need only minimal restrictive actions. Lockdowns aren't meant to last for long, but if the worse the situation is, the longer lockdown might be needed.

You can see the statistics here:
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases

And not sure about that valid point. When you're in a restaurant, you're passing multiple people in a closed area. When you sit down, you most likely don't move as much anymore. Larger groups of people, especially indoors and/or in close proximity, have higher risk for easy spread of the virus. Being outdoors and having space between people helps. It's not magic, even if it might seem like it.

And anyways those are only details. If the specific actions are the problem, you can criticize them, but complaining about all actions makes no sense.

The valid point is this, in an enclosed space (restaurant) there is a higher chance of catching (any) infection. So one enters the restaurant with a mask, yet once seated the masks are removed. Most restaurants have air conditioning which recycles the air. So the "precautions" are ineffective.

Then when this is compared to mass demonstrations such as the recent BLM, where no social distancing was followed, few people if any wore face masks, the authorities did nothing to enforce their own rules about public gatherings.

All the while, every public event since March until September is cancelled.

There is no consistency to the enforcement of the rules.

No, Italy did not continue as normal. As stated, they were the first EU country to go into full lock down. The dramatic rise in cases there was because the industrial North of Italy was exchanging many people with China on business / work grounds. The high death rate was because there was a large number of aged care homes there.

Why New Zealand was mentioned, as stated above, the lockdown and isolation has proven ineffective because there is a further outbreak.

Lockdowns aren't meant to last for long, but if the worse the situation is, the longer lockdown might be needed.

Define the duration of "aren't meant to last for long". Define longer lockdown.

The initial lockdown has already seen many people lose jobs and businesses close. Governments are already handing out rescue packages to keep things afloat. How long do you think this is possible to sustain before things really break down?

Even at the very start of the lockdown, Austria had to put out an emergency call for people to work on farms to plant and reap the first harvests of the year, because they are normally reliant upon itinerant workers from poorer EU countries to the East and South to do the work.

Food and products don't just magically appear on the shelves. It becomes a chain reaction that flows onto the rest of society and the nation as a whole.

I'm picking few points there as I'm losing my interest.

Italy did continue like normal quite long. First there were limited or no instructions and when instructions were given, they were quite strongly ignored at first. One of the issues is that even medical staff had limited instructions and the virus had easy to spread in hospitals and people who had been infected in hospitals spread the virus among their family and other people. The lockdown was enforced in a situation the virus had already spread, so it wasn't as effective as it could have been.

Also, are you pretending that the "further outbreak" in New Zealand is as serious as if they hadn't enforced a lockdown? Their "new outbreak" is 0-3 new cases per day. If they hadn't had a lockdown, the numbers wouldn't be even close that low.

You have an interesting way to see things if you are more worried about some businesses crashing, but you're OK with people dying and their health being permanently damaged. How do you assume someone can run a business if they're dead?

Has it been proven that children do not transmit to others?

Children can transmit, but they are basically immune to it themselves. It is the elderly who get hit the hardest.

Well written, ground breaking scientific revelations on a trending page.
It's your believes or it's just what sells well?

People seem to forget that "stuff" just doesn't magically appear on the shelves. Shutting down nations closes businesses which provide the goods services we rely upon. There's a point where if this goes on for too long, things start to break down.

As for facts, the numbers tell the story, while cases of infection are on the rise again, death rates are not matching this.

You can explore the statistics worldwide from these charts.

https://mackuba.eu/corona/#compare_countries?val=d&c=us-ny,us-ca,us-tx,us-fl,us-nj,us-il,us-az,us-ma,us-ga,us-pa

Seems like the The Holy See and North Korea are doing well.

I'm not telling that his government is doing good job.
I'm disappointed that this low quality rant got to the trending page.

Of course, GOVERMAN never allows a good crisis to go to waste.

People are mentioning Italy and infection rates but may not know that China bought much of the manufacturing in Milan and has upwards of half a million Chinese Nationals working there and managers routinely flew from China to Milan.

I think of it as am early conduit to spread Covid to Europe. Only the Chinese Govt. knew they were infecting Europe. Same with Seattle, CA airports and a number of other nodes.

If there was a Country with zero scruples and its economy was secretly in serious trouble an engineered virus would be the perfect way to lower the standards of living Worldwide so their slide into recession was not the only economic disaster in the news.

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What makes a "source" "legit", trash man?