Revising UK COVID-19 Death Counts as Oxford Researchers Point to Huge Flaw in Counting Process

in Deep Dives4 years ago (edited)

The UK government recently announced they were halting their daily COVId-19 death toll figures. Why would they do that? It seems their "counting" has bee over-exaggerated. Yes, those number that get use an ammunition by the media to spread fear into everyone, are not reflective of reality.


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The Department for Health and Social Care issued a statement last week on July 17 stating how much things are screwed up with respect to counting alleged COVID-19 deaths:

Currently the daily deaths measure counts all people who have tested positive for coronavirus and since died, with no cut-off between time of testing and date of death.

There have been claims that the lack of cut-off may distort the current daily deaths number.

We are therefore pausing the publication of the daily figure while this is resolved.

Wait, what? That's something, isn't it? Anyone who has ever tested positive (allegedly positive since the tests aren't even supposed to be used for diagnostic purposes), and then dies at some point, even months later, is counted as an alleged COVID-19 death. That is nuts!

There have allegedly been over 100 alleged COVID-19 deaths per day in Eangland. Oxford's Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine has come out with an article to talk about this "statistical anomaly" titled: Why no-one can ever recover from COVID-19 in England – a statistical anomaly.

Some bad data gathering and statistics is to blame, where the correspond deaths with records of people who have tested positive (allegedly) for COVID-19:

“Linking data on confirmed positive cases (identified through testing by NHS and PHE laboratories and commercial partners) to the NHS Demographic Batch Service: when a patient dies, the NHS central register of patients is notified (this is not limited to deaths in hospitals). The list of all lab-confirmed cases is checked against the NHS central register each day, to check if any of the patients have died.”

As the researchers at CEBM note, they don't take into consideration when the person was tested, nor if they were treated and discharged from a hospital:

PHE does not appear to consider how long ago the COVID test result was, nor whether the person has been successfully treated in hospital and discharged to the community. Anyone who has tested COVID positive but subsequently died at a later date of any cause will be included on the PHE COVID death figures.

As the title of the article suggests, according to this process, "no one with COVID in England is allowed to ever recover from their illness."

A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later.

Yes, that's the big joke about the death counts. As people get tested and live, then die later, they get consumed by the fearful COVID-19 death toll numbers. Old people are more susceptible to be infected, and they also survive. Then they may die later on due to age or other illnesses. But that is a "COVID-19 death" in the UK.

It's at least good that this blunder has been caught. The number should be corrected, I hope. I wonder how many cuts to the death toll that will make?

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Why is this a 'deep-dive' It is nothing more than a copy-paste from a one-week old article that appeared in the Daily Mirror, that top quality tabloid 'newspaper'. Seriously, what are the deep-dives curators actually curating? This is top drawer shit!

"...blunder..."

Not buying it. Folks been counting deaths from illnesses for centuries, if not thousands of years, and this is a new practice. This is not a blunder. This is absolutely, certainly, deliberately overstating deaths.

This is part of a deliberate terrorist campaign undertaken to coerce people into having their DNA altered by the Covid 'vaccine', that unlike all previous vaccines given to people alters human DNA, has never been tested on animals, and will be administered by force.

Anyone who takes this vaccine is out of their freaking minds.

Thanks!

But... counting is hard!!!! Autopsies are overrated anyways, just label deaths with whatever you like, that's real medical science!

Not sure if you've seen the debate between Robert Kennedy Jr. and Dershowitz on the vaccine they want to push. It discusses the entire industry and is very informative. Trying to let as many know of the video as possible before they take it down. Please download a copy if you haven't and maybe discuss it. So much science cited here, none of it pro vaccination. If they argue against it, you know that it isn't about the science anymore.

The corruption and capture of regulatory agencies of the USG is appalling. It's not just theft, it's genocidal in it's effects, and those in positions of power in those agencies deliberately quashing evidence of devastating illness and death should be hanged for mass murder and crimes against humanity.

They are sentencing millions of children to autism, debilitating disease, and death for money.

I advocate humane treatment of our enemies, but such cases try my dedication to my humanity. What most outrages me about these revelations from Robert Kennedy is in the Vioxx case, when found guilty of mass medical crimes against Americans - knowingly and purposely killing more than 100k people - they had to pay a fine.

IMHO, that's an act of war by the USG - all three branches - against American civilians.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I have been unable to dl it, sadly. Is there any way you could put it on 3speak? I can torrent video there. I have friends I would like to have the opportunity to see it, and youtube could take it down any minute.

I am in your debt.

Unfortunately I don't do Threespeak. I'm sharing it with a few people such as yourself in the hope someone will cover this that has a large audience for Hive. It's possibly the best source I've seen to show those claiming anti vaxxers are antiscience is backwards, and those for vaccinations are the ones that are antiscience. I knew just moments into the video I had to save it as it's exactly what those pushing the vaccine narrative (as well as all the other corruption they are behind) fear becoming common knowledge.

There is so much to be outraged about, and the fact Kennedy has shared this all freely after spending what must have been many hours of research and money to discover this elevates him in my mind as a true leader. One who looks out for his brothers/sisters not for some immediate payout, but because it's the right thing to do.

I'm quite in agreement with you regarding the import of Kennedy's knowledge and statements. I cannot vouchsafe Kennedy himself, and remain resistant to becoming invested in personages. Too many say all kinds of reasonable things in order to gain power, but when invested with power do things quite opposite to their campaign rhetoric. It's actually impossible to find examples of successful candidates that did not do exactly that.

I'm not intending to malign Kennedy, and my suspicion of persons does not somehow make suspicious statements of fact I can verify as true they make. Facts are facts, and people are people, and I do not conflate the two. Lots of people do. I keep them separate.

I strongly support many statements Reagan made, but vilify Reagan who utterly contradicted his rhetoric with his wielding of power. I'm not accusing Kennedy of doing that, because he hasn't attained to office where he could.

The 100% probability of candidates doing so in history leaves me without confidence he wouldn't.

I absolutely oppose the concept of the 'Big Man' that democratic elections promulgate.

Please accept my apologies if I have stated this in a way that offends you. As I said, I have neither desire nor intent to malign Kennedy, and have sought to simply provide the example of history to reveal why I cannot have confidence that the words of a public figure would ever underlie their actual policy.

I agree. I never watched anything by him before, but that video cited so much science it nullifies the typical insults of antivaxxer/antiscience. Here is a website he runs I still haven't checked out yet.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/

No apologies needed. I view someone as a leader who is open to discuss the issue, open to being wrong as they seek to inform those they discuss with. For that matter, for these same reasons I view you as a leader. Doesn't mean one blindly follows, or that leaders are infallible. In fact, when you first began talking about Covid I quickly let you know I disagreed with you. And true to form, once you realized your source (Lancet) had been compromised you stated your error, owning it. Again, the actions of someone worthy of paying attention to, a true leader.

Here is an article on the Lancet using faulty study data (looks made up to me) to say hydroxychloroquine wasn't good for Covid.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-idUSKBN23B31W

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-lancet-retracts-study-that-said-hydroxychloroquine-was-unsafe-20200604-6wwydfhiungctissbo4exykube-story.html

I note that many vaxxers still cite this faulty data to attack anyone questioning vaccinations as well as Trump for mentioning it.

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Germany is comparatively rigorous about stuff like this and I'm certain that this is the reason we only have 9000 deaths listed although we are much larger than England. But even the 9000 number is to high according to a pathologist who performed an autopsy on over 100 people that got listed as COVID-deaths and found that half of them clearly died of something totally unrelated.

Yeah, lots of bogus numbers all around. If Germany is doing is more accurately, good on them! Do you have a link on the 100 autopsies story you mention?

It looks like no prominent English-speaking news site picked up the story. The best thing I could find was this: https://frankreport.com/2020/04/10/the-many-lies-and-exaggerations-about-coronavirus-used-to-shut-down-a-nation/

'In Hamburg, for example, “not a single person who was not previously ill” had died of the virus: “All those we have examined so far had cancer, a chronic lung disease, were heavy smokers or severely obese, suffered from diabetes or had a cardiovascular disease. The virus was the last straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak. Covid-19 is a fatal disease only in exceptional cases, but in most cases it is a predominantly harmless viral infection.”'

'“In quite a few cases, we have also found that the current corona infection has nothing whatsoever to do with the fatal outcome because other causes of death are present, for example a brain haemorrhage or a heart attack. Corona in itself is a not particularly dangerous viral disease“, says the forensic scientist.'

In Germany he was multiple times on national television in April and May and talked quite lengthy about this topic.

I'm off to buy a newspaper, somehow I don't think that'll be on the headlines.

The Sun seems to currently be enjoying chronicling the Johnny Depp abuse case as it's front page news.

That's a clear sign Covid is on the decline, or rather that there's no ammo left that can be spun into a fear narrative.

COVID gon' get ya for denying the media coverage of this super deadly virus!

I can almost see it now on CNN news headlines,...

"Unnamed Asian country accidentally launches a Tactical nuke striking Pearl Harbor wiping out most of Honolulu Hawaii, and in an unrelated story 350,000 Hawaiian people die from Covid-19."

And it's Trump's fault, more lies at 6 o'clock.

A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later.

Surely that is the case in every country...

It's happening where I live too. Manipulation of masses is all I can say.

The good news is that no body has died of cancer during that time, covid 19 has cured death by cancer.

covid 19 is going down in my country people are following sops of goverment , so really very worse situation in world but hope all will ok, thank for sharing latest updates dear

Things still seem very chill even after inflated statistics:

nsc.org states following odds as cause of death:

  • Death by lightning strike - 1 in 161,856
  • Hornets, Wasps, Bees - 1 in 63,225
  • Legal Execution - 1 in 119,012
  • Air and Space Transport - 1 in 9,821

COVID-19 After Inflated Statistics