I am with the dude above for the most part, I find I am much happier on here staying out of the politics of it all. I don't even know what ever happened with Bernie Sanders but I proxied my witness voting to him when the steem debacle was all happening, I haven't seen him around in eons. I wouldn't even know how to change things up because I can't trust the wallet issue of do I still use my old steem log ins, can you get new ones, how you do the whole process, and yes I tried and failed to understand what people were instructing me to do because it seemed incomplete. I do wish I could get it figured out, I'd buy more hive with my little, scratch little insert tiny amount of I've earned in Hive dollars and power up my hive.
Same as it ever was. All build systems can stomp your ass, how hard it gets stomped depends upon how determined your are to beat their system. Some even have laws in place that proclaim to protect you from violations of the system, use those laws and they will find a way to stomp you even harder. That was a hard learned lesson in life, a costly hard earned lesson. It took way more than money away from me.
So, I made 5 bad choices regarding the 30 witnesses I voted on? So, out of 100%, my score is roughly 85% or like a B grade. So, who do I replace those 5 votes on?
So, these 5 accounts I voted for I assume are supporting other accounts who have downvote trails? My position is the automatic flagging downvote trails are dangerous and I would discourage people away from them. I can imagine justification, excuses. I understand the theory of trying to reduce spam and such. That might be a theory behind the rationalization of downvote trails. My position is that it is probably better, generally speaking, to simply upvote what you like and ignore what you don't. I think I would disagree with the philosophy of downvote trails in general. I am not going to say exceptions to that general rule does not exist. But normalizing downvote trails is a psychological slippery slope down the wrong path.
But what if a particular witness is doing many good things and is supporting downvote trails or other things? Where do you draw the line in who you want to support for witnesses? Is there no amount of good deeds that can take some of them off your naughty list and back on your good list, Mr. Logic Zombie Santa Claus?
My question is not about what they argue but about where you draw the line and who do you vote for or who might be in your top 30 or top 50. I am not going to not vote for a witness. However, I will simply vote for people meaning I can end up replacing some of them simply because I had better options, better picks. So, I vote for people who start projects like the Hive Vote for example which I like. Anything that is interesting. People behind PeakD, Ecency, 3Speak, Hive Blocks, Hive Blog the website app part, and maybe even Leo Finance. If I can come up with 30 witnesses, accounts, connected to whichever might be my favorite projects, etc, that would be how I go about who I vote for and who I don't vote for.
I try not to think too much about who not to vote for. I guess if somebody was too bad like Hitler, then you would probably put Hitler or Stalin or Mao or Lenin or Rothschild or Soros or Bill Gates towards the back of the list. But then there might be a potential of voting for some people at the end of the top 30.
And there might be some overlap between things I like about a witness and things I don't. So, for example, if my top pick was the man behind Hive Vote, imagine finding that guy connected to downvote trails or other things. I could see a hypothetical situation where some downvote trails could be discouraging spam or other things. I am still against downvoting in general for many reasons. But I can see it working as much as hypothetical communism working. And communism does not work. I am against communism and downvote. But I can see some rare exceptions to the rules where it might work.
And then I ponder if a witness is divided between doing good things and doing bad things, then where do you draw the line? And do you support Leo Finance? Which projects, apps, websites, etc, are your favorite? What are your top 30 or 50 witness picks?
I honestly didn't want to do this, I thought I could just proxy my vote to some reasonable person, but every account I looked at supported witnesses who had either downvoted me directly or downvoted someone I know.
I'm willing to talk to any of the witnesses, I've had conversations with blocktrades and marky and guilty and even logic and I'm convinced they are intelligent and well intentioned individuals.
I never expect to agree or disagree with ANYONE 100% on everything.
If I can't disagree with you on 50% of what you believe, then I'm not a proper skeptic.
I am with the dude above for the most part, I find I am much happier on here staying out of the politics of it all. I don't even know what ever happened with Bernie Sanders but I proxied my witness voting to him when the steem debacle was all happening, I haven't seen him around in eons. I wouldn't even know how to change things up because I can't trust the wallet issue of do I still use my old steem log ins, can you get new ones, how you do the whole process, and yes I tried and failed to understand what people were instructing me to do because it seemed incomplete. I do wish I could get it figured out, I'd buy more hive with my little, scratch little insert tiny amount of I've earned in Hive dollars and power up my hive.
i guess if they can scare any of their opponents away from voting at all, they've already won
Same as it ever was. All build systems can stomp your ass, how hard it gets stomped depends upon how determined your are to beat their system. Some even have laws in place that proclaim to protect you from violations of the system, use those laws and they will find a way to stomp you even harder. That was a hard learned lesson in life, a costly hard earned lesson. It took way more than money away from me.
good point
I am a little confused. Did you make 2 lists, people not to vote for and people to vote for?
So, I made 5 bad choices regarding the 30 witnesses I voted on? So, out of 100%, my score is roughly 85% or like a B grade. So, who do I replace those 5 votes on?
So, these 5 accounts I voted for I assume are supporting other accounts who have downvote trails? My position is the automatic flagging downvote trails are dangerous and I would discourage people away from them. I can imagine justification, excuses. I understand the theory of trying to reduce spam and such. That might be a theory behind the rationalization of downvote trails. My position is that it is probably better, generally speaking, to simply upvote what you like and ignore what you don't. I think I would disagree with the philosophy of downvote trails in general. I am not going to say exceptions to that general rule does not exist. But normalizing downvote trails is a psychological slippery slope down the wrong path.
But what if a particular witness is doing many good things and is supporting downvote trails or other things? Where do you draw the line in who you want to support for witnesses? Is there no amount of good deeds that can take some of them off your naughty list and back on your good list, Mr. Logic Zombie Santa Claus?
they argue that downvoting is "freedom-of-speech"
this is obviously false
My question is not about what they argue but about where you draw the line and who do you vote for or who might be in your top 30 or top 50. I am not going to not vote for a witness. However, I will simply vote for people meaning I can end up replacing some of them simply because I had better options, better picks. So, I vote for people who start projects like the Hive Vote for example which I like. Anything that is interesting. People behind PeakD, Ecency, 3Speak, Hive Blocks, Hive Blog the website app part, and maybe even Leo Finance. If I can come up with 30 witnesses, accounts, connected to whichever might be my favorite projects, etc, that would be how I go about who I vote for and who I don't vote for.
I try not to think too much about who not to vote for. I guess if somebody was too bad like Hitler, then you would probably put Hitler or Stalin or Mao or Lenin or Rothschild or Soros or Bill Gates towards the back of the list. But then there might be a potential of voting for some people at the end of the top 30.
And there might be some overlap between things I like about a witness and things I don't. So, for example, if my top pick was the man behind Hive Vote, imagine finding that guy connected to downvote trails or other things. I could see a hypothetical situation where some downvote trails could be discouraging spam or other things. I am still against downvoting in general for many reasons. But I can see it working as much as hypothetical communism working. And communism does not work. I am against communism and downvote. But I can see some rare exceptions to the rules where it might work.
And then I ponder if a witness is divided between doing good things and doing bad things, then where do you draw the line? And do you support Leo Finance? Which projects, apps, websites, etc, are your favorite? What are your top 30 or 50 witness picks?
https://peakd.com/hive-122315/@logiczombie/100percent-downvote-on-this-post-from-acidyo-an-hour-ago
https://peakd.com/hive-122315/@logiczombie/100percent-downvote-on-this-post-from-acidyo-an-hour-ago
Thanks.
I honestly didn't want to do this, I thought I could just proxy my vote to some reasonable person, but every account I looked at supported witnesses who had either downvoted me directly or downvoted someone I know.
I'm willing to talk to any of the witnesses, I've had conversations with blocktrades and marky and guilty and even logic and I'm convinced they are intelligent and well intentioned individuals.
I never expect to agree or disagree with ANYONE 100% on everything.
If I can't disagree with you on 50% of what you believe, then I'm not a proper skeptic.
Never blindly agree - - NEVER BLINDLY DISAGREE
Blocktrades has a good website which I used to send money to Bitcoin. Why would I not support that?
Like I said, they are intelligent and well intentioned.
You can use their services without voting for them.
Nobody's calling for a "boycott" or anything.
Switching your witness vote is a signal that you care about free-speech.
The goal is to get them to fix the downvote abuse which they currently refuse to acknowledge.
How does the 10% APR work on Hive, does it mean I am paying each witness 10% of my wallet every week?
How many accounts are they unfairly downvoting each day?
the main post contains suspect accounts
this is a list of less suspect accounts -
https://hive.blog/hive-122315/@logiczombie/re-logiczombie-r1gbt1