The suffering doesn't mean the absence of God !

in ecoTrain2 years ago

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Maybe the answer to the following question "If there is a God why is there so much suffering in the world?" is in the title of my post, but I'll dig deeper in this anyway !

The first thing I noticed in that contest is the comment from @actioncats :

From what I read, those of us who believe in God are not invited to give our opinion.

But, I was glad to see @eco-alex explains that's a wrong impression. So, the question is for everyone to answer and that's good.

Of course before answering the question, I think that I have to show my position about God. You may read about it here : My relation with God !. Or I'll write the main idea about that. For me, God is the power that created the world and the same power controls all the events happening during the time. So, in my opinion every move we make, every little thing happening in the world is all the will of that power. And it's impossible for anyone to change it, or to do it otherwise !

Following my thoughts, we can say, that I accept all the suffering happening in the world. But, that's not true. Most of us don't like to see any suffering, because we are all born as good people. I don't think that any little child can do a bad thing or let others suffer. Kids are saint. So, the human being can absorb the good and the bad during his/her life. And mostly the effect of the surrounding and the lifestyle may change the person for better or worse. Even beliefs are coming from the information he/she consumed during life. And if that's all pushed by the power that we call God, so God plays the main role in the suffering of any alive creature.

That doesn't mean that God is good or bad. Because he doesn't have to be like that, he should be objective. And everything happening should have a meaning, or a reason.

For example, looking at the animal world. Can we say that some animals are suffering because God doesn't exist ? Or maybe the main reason of the existence is the procreation ? That's why the strong animal has to eat the weaker. And even the weak animal eats plants and in this case we can say that plants are also suffering. But, in the end we come with a conclusion that plants aren't suffering, but who can prove that. Anyway, as you see to have a continuation of the life, someone, or something has to suffer.

Talking about people. Aren't we all suffering by getting older, weaker and in the end dying ? Aren't we suffering when we lose our close people ? Aren't we suffering when we have to waste so much time in sleeping, working and eating, instead of taking care about more important things ? Aren't we suffering from the unfair distribution of resources ? Not only the material resources, but sometime worse health, fewer opportunities ... etc. I always write that we aren't trees, we can move, we can change, so if we do something about it, we may always find solutions and do what we can do to not suffer. We shouldn't blame God for not helping us. Because in fact, we can help ourselves and God is giving us the choice. And maybe even the choice is already destined by him, but that's all to give the example to the next generations. The example that to not suffer, you have to make the change.

Maybe you think now : what's the reason if everything is predetermined ?

I would say that everything is predetermined to support the reproduction. And maybe even the improvement. Because we don't have to live an eternal life to affect this spiral of life. Everyone and every living creature and even the thing have its role. Its reason to exist. Once that accomplish the mission, there is no reason to exist anymore. Maybe that sounds tough, but it's the reality. So, if a creature is still alive, if something still exists, that means the mission is not done yet. That's why everyone should think about that mission to not give up on life. That's how things work and that should be just accepted.

The same about suffering. The power that created all this world and all the living creature in it, knows better what needs to improve and flourish and what should get the attitude it's getting.

After all, every alive creature has a proportion of suffering. That could be in form of events, or in form of health, or even in form of aging. That's why I can't say why that suffering is needed, but I'm sure that there is a reason behind anything happening. Maybe it's related to the reincarnation and the bad guys are punished that way. The most important is to know that everything has a reason to happen !

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Hmmm. Every living creature has their own suffering, no thing is perfect.

I have always said this to myself that everything comes or happens for a reason and no matter the situation, the end result is for my own good.

That's a healthy thinking. Otherwise, we will just worry too much about everything.

Hmm...

I believe the sufferings are as a result of our actions...

In the Bible, it speaks of Cain's blood crying out to the Lord

He said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to Me from the ground

And in a subsequent verse, it talks about a commandment about the Earth's vengeance for blood...

So you shall not pollute the land in which you are; for blood pollutes the land and no expiation can be made for the land for the blood that is shed on it, except by the blood of him who shed it.

That's why it's very good for us to do good. Too much evil in this world has brought so many things we experience in it.

I am a very spiritual person so I'll be writing on this in my next post so you can follow by blog.

its unfortunate when a lot of the suffering in the natural world is caused by humans 'because humans now have been moving more and more into separation from nature' we have been destroying rain-forests and the creatures within it, we have been logging, mining, plundering resources,we have been over using the land without replenishing it, we have been causing desertification of the planet and killing every last bug with chemicals, we have been polluting the sea and over fishing it causing even more suffering by killing by catch of dolphins and turtles that just get thrown back into the sea because they cannot be sold. Us humans cause so much suffering in the name of profits and greed.

yes some amount of suffering exists like you said, ones health, aging, and the threat of being hurt or even eaten by something else but this was in somewhat a kind of natural balance but what human beings have caused in the last few thousands years is out of balance to the point in the end, it will be us who will have to suffer as this entire world collapses before our eyes.