Do You Even Friend?

in Reflections3 months ago

After school yesterday, Smallsteps and I spent time practicing our cursive writing. She was introduced to it last week by a substitute teacher in a class and has now taken an interest in it. She is actually pretty good already, considering that it is not the way they have learned to write at school at all. So we sat down together with some lined paper and wrote. For me, I used to write a lot and was pretty good at cursive, because my mum taught me. At school was a struggle, because I was forced to conform to the writing standards to pass the writing classes, which I hated. So whenever I wasn't in class, I wrote in cursive. But it was weird sitting there and writing neatly by hand yesterday, because I so rarely do it now.

Tens of millions of words written over the last few years. Not many by hand.


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However, something else potentially interesting came up while we did this, as my daughter wrote Mummy, Daddy and Smallsteps and then proceeded to write the names of her friends in cursive next to her name, the name of my friends next to mine and then the same next to her mother. When she got to her mother she added our neighbour, who has been a close friend for almost forty years and then paused, looked at me and asked,

"Who else are mummy's friends?"

She has friends of course, but the problem is that she doesn't actually see them. Nor does she call them. She stays somewhat in contact with them online, but most of that is voyeuristic, so she knows what is happening through what they post, but doesn't know any of their daily life activity.

Are they friends at all?

Even her close friend who literally lives across the road from us, we barely see, as there is always an excuse not to, too busy, illness, the house isn't clean etc. However, as I see it, with friends you not only make the time, but the bar to seeing friends should be incredibly low. Friends don't care if the place is a mess, especially since our house is never messy.

But I suspect that my wife isn't alone in this and I asked a client today (who himself was talking about the social media addiction he has) and how often he sees his actual friends that he checks on social media, considering that most of them live in the same small town he is from. His answer, was almost never.

It takes the "social" aspect out and just leaves the media.

I don't have many friends myself and even fewer since having a stroke, because my own motivation to organise is incredibly low and some of my friends just haven't wanted to engage much after. This was also amplified by Covid restrictions. Still though, I do make attempts and organise to see some of my friends regularly enough that at least Smallsteps knows who they are. But more than that, she also knows some of their kids, even when they are much older or younger.

I was thinking about this as it is this aspect that creates social network in a community across generations, because people interact with each other through a couple degrees of separation. In a small town, everyone knows everyone, not because they are all friends, but because there is a spiderweb of relationships that connect people together. But the usage of social media as it has come to pass, as largely broken the web apart, with people having less interaction with the people who live and work locally.

Part of this is as my client was saying today, that social media is compelling, as it has so much content. And this is true in one respect, but what actually makes it addictive isn't the range of content there, but the dopamine hit from finding a single interesting thing in a sea of irrelevance, and the highly repetitive action of scrolling. People don't keep going back because of what they find in content, they go back because they want another high, and their fingers are so used to scrolling that they get uncomfortable when not doing it.

But at what cost?

As I asked my client who has expressed interest in learning the drums, "How good would you be if you spent half the time you do on social media for the next year, playing the drums instead?"

Very good.

And while not everyone wants to learn an instrument, most people on social media also have things that they "don't have the time" to do, because they are spending their time scrolling instead. My wife spends too long on there and like a smoker, believes it is relaxing her. But the relaxation is from the dopamine fix and the something to do with the hands - just like smoking. Instead though, she could spend her time talking with her friends in real life, or going to the gym, or reading a book, or learning how to knit, or whatever the hell else she wants to do.

But more importantly than what an individual could do with that time, is what a community could do with it, as building a strong, healthy community doesn't just happen, it takes time and effort. It takes actions that bring people together to share experiences, and it takes actions that connect people across generations in order to take the community into the future also. One of the problems we have seen now in terms of community building, is that people are so fractured, so disconnected from others at the local level, that there isn't much community left at all, let alone a healthy one.

There are good sides to social media usage.

But I struggle to think of any that are so good, that they negate all the bad they do in terms of the breakdown of society, information integrity, and physical and mental health outcomes. We can do better, and there is likely a healthy place for the digital community also, but I suspect it only works when it is used as a support for real world interaction and relationship building, not as a replacement.

But, it is far too convenient to just scroll through life.

Taraz
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That was an interesting route your post took, from cursive writing to friends ending up in the cesspool we know as social media.

Starting with the latter, I can assure you other things can also eat up tons of time. Like podcasts! Combine this with a mind that is interested in almost anything, likes to read, see and listen to any interesting story, analyses, research, blog post, column and whatnot and we end up wishing a day would be 72 hours long, as the bare minimum.

I have a great believe in that we can have friends we only see IRL, or even (online) chat with occasionally. I have a few of those. Many many years ago we saw each other much more often, but all of them started families, reducing the available time. Most also decided to move to other cities and towns, making organisation more important to see each other. But when I need them, I really need them, they will be there. That is what friends are. And yes also to: Friends will accept, including a 'dirty' home. They don't care. When they do, they either want to help in some way orrrr they are not your friends.

Cursive writing: Honestly, didn't do this for a very ling time. I do write though. I hate to use the laptop and phone to take notes, mostly office work notes. Almost always use pen and paper. But I write quick, very quick resulting often in - even for myself - unreadable handwriting 😆 On short term, no problem I know what I wrote, and can read it. But a bit further out in time, it all becomes more gibberish then anything else 🥳 Did you know we have a 'handwriting' community? https://ecency.com/created/hive-115590

That was an interesting route your post took, from cursive writing to friends ending up in the cesspool we know as social media.

I am not known for staying on topic :D

Like podcasts! Combine this with a mind that is interested in almost anything, likes to read, see and listen to any interesting story, analyses, research, blog post, column and whatnot and we end up wishing a day would be 72 hours long, as the bare minimum.

For sure. And I think a lot of the podcasts people listen to are just entertainment anyway. Listening to celebrities talk crap about other celebrities. Or history, or whatever - it isn't actionable stuff.

but all of them started families, reducing the available time.

This is natural, but in the past they still managed to stay somewhat engaged, because life even with a family, was lived in the real world locally.

But when I need them, I really need them, they will be there.

Yep. I have some friends like this from Australia, I haven't seen in decades :)

On short term, no problem I know what I wrote, and can read it. But a bit further out in time, it all becomes more gibberish then anything else

This is all of my university lecture notes.... It showed in the exams!

And no, I didn't know there was a handwriting community :)

And no, I didn't know there was a handwriting community :)

Perhaps a way to show your cursive writing skills?
I didn't participate in that community yet, but I have a promise to a fellow HIVEan to create and post something.

The small town web is still.intact and functional. We band brothers always goes on small get together, whenever we crave to eat mutton. It is always a fun and same thing we used to do while I was in city. We always make sure to have a mini get together over a bottle of bear during the weekend. Those guys still does that. May my circle is one of those who lived the real life and miss those times.

It is good you do that. Switch off the screen, get into silly or deep discussion with people that matter.

Btw, has social media affected the arranged marriage dynamics?

The dynamics has changed a lot, its not arranged anymore as couple connect through different social media account before marriage. Even on some occasion, social media account becomes a way to judge a person. Potential partners are frequently vetted through their social media footprint to assess lifestyle, habits, and personality, sometimes leading to early rejection as it does not cater their expectations... so be it arranged or love social media is spoiling both.

I wonder if the outcomes are better or worse. I suspect worse, since prior the arrangements were made in the community from a youngish age, where families knew each other. Not that I agree with arranged marriage, but today's system isn't any better.

Aaahhhhh so cute! Middle did some cursive writing (I got one of those workbooks they could trace and copy, I only ever do cursive when I need to either be REALLY FAST or to very lightly encrypt something XD) but I didn't try too hard with the boys as it was an epic battle just to get them to write anything at all in any form at all including typing! >_<

Tens of millions of words written over the last few years. Not many by hand.

Join Hand Written XD

who literally lives across the road from us

At that point all the usual excuses are kinda pathetic x_x Okay illness maybe if it's contagious and they're still in the contagion period but even untidy is dumb, friends won't care and worst case scenario can help tidy up wherever you're going to be hanging out.

I mean add it to the freaking calendar if you need to seeing as we're apparently all too busy to spontaneously anything these days?! XD

But the usage of social media as it has come to pass, as largely broken the web apart, with people having less interaction with the people who live and work locally.

I remember when Facebook was great because you could share things with friends and family so much easier and it was that much quicker and easier to organise meetups, and then it started sucking.

The other ones which I never really got into that much became a similar hot mess when it suddenly stopped being about connections (regardless of how frantically they pretend otherwise) and became entirely about desperately trying to keep people on as long as possible to maximise their stupid ad revenue.

the more I see ads for anything the more I avoid whatever company was doing the advertising

I have a deep and inherent mistrust of any social media (including decentralised/distributed ones and that will include this one if it ever happens) that runs ads.

but what actually makes it addictive isn't the range of content there, but the dopamine hit from finding a single interesting thing in a sea of irrelevance, and the highly repetitive action of scrolling

I think that makes sense. I've been scrubbing through Snaps recently and not understanding the appeal of doomscrolling. I guess some people are also looking for interaction hooks (that's usually what I'm looking for outside of my feed).

to very lightly encrypt something XD

:D

At that point all the usual excuses are kinda pathetic x_x

Precisely. I feel like I have to arrange "play dates" for them :D

and then it started sucking.

Commercialisation kills everything social.

the more I see ads for anything the more I avoid whatever company was doing the advertising

Same!

I have a deep and inherent mistrust of any social media (including decentralised/distributed ones and that will include this one if it ever happens) that runs ads.

The ads are unlikely here (at scale) but some interfaces have tried. It just doesn't have enough eyes. However, I also suspect that in the future some interfaces might successfully do it - but that doesn't mean everyone else has to be subjected to it.

I've been scrubbing through Snaps recently and not understanding the appeal of doomscrolling.

Yeah - who wants to wade through a rubbish bin in the hope of finding a fresh apple?

I feel like I have to arrange "play dates" for them :D

A friend and I were jokingly saying the same thing about our 21yo sons XD We used to catch up most weeks with them for roleplaying or card gaming or just hanging out if nobody felt like gaming or we were down a player. I'll probably try to kickstart at least the regular hangouts again as I'm not sure I'll be able to keep up the roleplaying this year ;-;

but that doesn't mean everyone else has to be subjected to it.

Yay for the hivedra XD

Yeah - who wants to wade through a rubbish bin in the hope of finding a fresh apple?

Me I guess XD

Perhaps because of the relatively low volume it's currently pretty quick and easy to find decent interaction hooks. I just...really don't know how to micro.

I am snapping that sketchy in a sec after I finish this comment XD

I was just doing some writing in cursive the other day trying to see if I remembered how to do it. I was going to write that sentence that has all the letters of the alphabet in it, but I couldn't remember the whole thing. Something about a quick brown fox. My wife and I both have very few friends. Lately due to health issues the one couple has started to pull away and it is honestly heartbreaking. It seems like in cases like this they would want their friends closer not further away, but they continue to push away. I try to reach out to my friends, but I realized the other day it's pretty rare that they reach out to me. That's not to say they don't, but it is pretty far between for sure.

Lately due to health issues the one couple has started to pull away and it is honestly heartbreaking. It seems like in cases like this they would want their friends closer not further away, but they continue to push away.

That is a shame. I think like you. When struggling, it is best to have people around, although that isn't the way our "intuition" works when struggling.

That's not to say they don't, but it is pretty far between for sure.

Same here. It is an epidemic, but this is also why I do it. Because if I don't, no one else will.

"The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"

Haha, thanks for that. I somehow thought the sentence was much longer than that! The odd thing is, to some degree, I think the friends that have started to pull away don't feel like anything is wrong. My wife and I feel it though. I wonder if one day they will want things to be back to normal, but by then we will have moved on. Again, it just makes me sad.

I am not sure. I have friends I haven't seen in years, but still consider them friends. We stay in touch by socials as well, mostly through voyeurism as you call it. We comment on each others posts occasionally. Although I rarely post anything and rarely get on them anymore because of the ads and and forced content.

I have friends like that too, but not the ones I live in the same city with. Why not connect up over a beverage and actually talk?

Thats what I am talking about. Most of these live all over the place. I have very few friends who live where I do now. Haven't really been out and about enough since living here to meet many, The very few I do have locally we do have an occasional coffee or breakfast together.

You were saying about your outreach to people the other day - is any of it face to face?

Just the people who live locally. Most of the outreach for those living away has been by phone, text, or socials. Not the best and I know it could be better, like with video conferencing and such. Now there have been a couple friends this last year that live far away that we have coordinated a met up when one of us was traveling. That was fantastic!

The only social media I had was Facebook. I deleted that years ago and have not looked back.

I don't consider YouTube or Twitter/X social media, at least I don't use them that way.

My only social media is now Hive 😀

I don't consider YouTube or Twitter/X social media, at least I don't use them that way.

Twitter definitely is. Youtube too for many people, since they use it to comment and get a sense they are part of a community - even though they aren't. YT for me though is a helpdesk.

I don't remember the last time I met any of my friends. I would consider getting another dog but when they die it is very sad...

Dogs are the best!!!

Not if you ask a cat.

Death is part of life. Accept it. It is beautiful too.

As you said, social media is addictive and everybody is busy with their day-to-day engagement which isn't bad. Endless scrolling is what many of us are used to as we believe we would somewhat find someone who will certainly keep us relaxed and think less. Another thing is that many of us are too pompous as to who will meet us and why they prefer to chat.

I can say that the older generation is better than the present generation as they value friendship and also invest in making it work. It is so bad that these days you will have a friend of yours who claims to be busy only for them to be updating their status from time to time without even thinking twice about those they call friends.

It is good to invest in meaningful relationships as it often pays in the end. We can't be alone all our lives, we need other people around us. We just have to choose our friends wisely.

I just wonder what people actually get out of the endless scroll. Don't they realize what they are missing out on?

I rarely write with a pen; I type more on the computer, but I find it much more comfortable to write with a pen; my thoughts flow more freely.

Have you started reading as a family? We started today :)

I find it much more comfortable to write with a pen; my thoughts flow more freely.

Ever thought why?

I have a theory that using a keyboard changes the way we think, as we are using both hands. Writing is with dominant had only.

Haven't started reading yet, my wife has a very long day ad still at work. Weekend awaits though.

I thought it was a habit; I spent my entire school years writing by hand instead of typing on a computer. Your thoughts are interesting; it would be good to find surveys from young people who grew up with smartphones and computers.

Yeah, I don't know how it might impact, but our brains are left/right and are affected differently. I assume using weak hand affects thought patterns.

Yeah!! tbh, Kids notice absence more clearly than adults do. It really exposes how thin “connection” has become when it lives mostly "on a screen". Its kinda like we’re informed about each other, but at the same time no longer involved with each other, if that makes sense.

I meet with the majority of my Facebook friends as often as I meet with Kim Kardashian. Never. Granted, I haven't used Facebook in many years. :)

Virtual communities must take it upon themselves to become more physicsl thereby expanding their outreach...

It seems the only communities doing outreach these days, are extremist groups

Although social media helps us stay updated, I think it often fails to create real relationships. We should focus on face to face interactions.

Maybe people don't like face to face because they can't apply a filter :D

I agree that community doesn’t just happen on its own. If people don’t meet, visit, or spend time together, it slowly disappears.

I think it has been quite rapid of late. The fall of society didn't take long.

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