I have said this many times in the past. Yes, I self vote, because I spend hours and hours on my posts and I have invested a lot in Hive (around 2 BTC). I have another account for short posts (@stayooutoftherz) where I don´t self vote (100%, but just a fraction )as I consider the effort not that much. With that selfvotes I try to mitigate the loss I took by investing so much in it.
HIVE ist voll von Zirkelvotern allererster 'Güte' - da entbehrt es nicht einer gewissen Ironie, dass sich ausgerechnet jemand wie du, der mittels manueller Kuratierung zahlreiche kleine User unterstützt, anhören muss, seine eigenen Hauptposts upzuvoten...
Ja, man muss ständig damit rechnen, dass einem jemand ans Bein pinkelt, nur weil man einmal eine Auffälligkeit aufdeckt und zur Diskussion stellt.
Einen Testpost hätte man ja auch mit @null als beneficiary machen können. Und nicht jeder versteht Spanisch. Da ist es doch logisch, dass jemand Fragen stellt.
I stopped self voting at all since a while as a certain person would immediately flag me to zero. However - many do it, even whales within their circle jerk (no name mentioning anymore) and consdering what people actually do for the chain, not only investing I think it is more than fair to selfvote in general if I would be @stayoutoftherz - who has problems with that?
Well, if you arent bringing eyes or inflow of money to cover the cost of the community of what you extract, then it doesn't produce a positive effect on the Hive price, and so your 2BTC principal investment suffers overall.
The idea is that in order for the Hive price to go higher, you must either bring in more money than the post is voted (i.e. pay for something using hive before you post about it), or bring enough eyes to cover the advertising value to cover the cost of the rewards of your posts. If you are just investing, posting and self voting without bringing eyes, then your principal investment will go down more than what you can extract (which is probably what you have actually experienced with your principal devaluation). As a side note, lack of understanding of this fundamental principle to the sustainability of Hive also is the reason everyone else has lost money, due to low Hive prices.
If your not bringing views to your blogs, to cover the cost of the rewards of your blogs, then the Hive price goes down, and so does your own personal principal investment.
Very smart, but how to measure how many "eyes" a post brings and what the corresponding advertising value is? We don´t even have reasonable viewing stats. At least my posts get some decent interactions.
From me as normal user you demand such evaluations, and on the other hand the DHF spends 100.000s HBD without the proposals ever delivering a proper breakdown of costs / allocation of budget or evaluation of the impact, etc..., just throwing out money. I think you are a little biased.
BTW, will you accuse others as well about their self votes? Or only people who are not whales?
I could show you some of my posts on Redit with over 100k view :-) - that is traffic for free - some come, no idea how many join, and if they join how long they stay - that is the issue - but we are not the onboarding team, we can only help.
I did not onboard many but several that are pretty active (even they did not want in first place) - just saying @detlev or @melinda010100 or @tengolotodo and others such as @papilloncharity I knew before Steemit was invented - not got kudos for onboarding referral, maybe they also talked to others before such as @steevc before joining, but they are great community members. Quality over quantity
FYI @starkerz - onboarding newbies is cool, but the relevant task is to keep them if they provide quality, we do not need lurkers that join, get a free HP, powerdown and leave.
But I know how it is on shows - people say a lot - but that is typical in marketing / sales - do that since ages.
We need to educate people, we need to help but we need to focus on quality people - that is waht some people have to handle.
btw - my post on Reddit about the Buck that hit 800k views on Reddit resulted in nearly 8k views on ecency
The issue we have - posting an ecency link we only see views on ecency not on hive.blog or peakd cumulated - that makes it hard to have total numbers - and what we also need to evaluate who is joining as of this.
Well, thanks for your engagement, @uwelang, but concerning me I am not so focused on HIVE that I would dive into the subleties of making advertisement efforts for HIVE on other platforms. :-)
what we have to say though - ususally Reddit posts are (should not) be posted by original creator as Reddit has struct rules and many sub reddit kick you for self promotion, hence ideally you post not your own Hive stuff but from others :-) @jaki01
Hey @stayoutoftherz - my best ever post with over 800k views was that one:
In general it is not forbidden to share your own posts but after several months we see many subreddits that ban any Hive links (some call it blog spamming). Every sub has its own rules enforced by moderators of these subreddit.
Very often the explicitley have a rule of "no-selfpromotion" - hence when you share your own content and they look at Hive say "self promo on a strange website" and delete your post or even ban you from sub - I am banned from several ones.
It is a tial and error thing over there given for every niche topic there are subreddits. @x-rain often compiles posts with Hive friendly subs but still we need to make sure to follow their rules, some subs require a certain Karma that you are allowed to post.
@tsnaks just wrote a "How To guide" - you might take a look here as well:
Hang on - you say bringing views to a blog is covering rewards of the blog - and this is affecting the Hive prize? Hope you do not mean this seriously or are you new to blockchain / crypto and do not know why prizes pump or not?
If you talk about social media / this blogging part maybe different thing - hence I am saying this Steemit times get rid of rewarding people for writing content on layer 1, could work on layer 2, but layer 1 should be for use cases of business etc - the chain is still better as others (tech, security, wallet name) but we are seen as blogging platform - and this is the reason we are not growing in prize (none of such models ever worked, why should it, ask Steemit founder, as long as 99% of the world uses Facebook etc for free without complicated keys why should that be relevant for them to earn 2 cent?).
Other thing our brand is confusing, we have no good SEO, we need corporates to use the chain to create cool use cases that are relevant to wider audience - we do not have that still.
And as final thought - do not attack one of the few guys never circle jerking that put in real money and always support various people.
You are great in onboarding I saw but others to other good things here. Thanks!
I wasn’t attacking. Just pointing out that self voting is clear to see.
But next time ppl have an issue with one of my projects, please do have the respect to DM me first so things can be resolved first before posting things on chain flasely suggesting people are scamming the system or extracting money from hive. Especially if one already upvotes their own content
Dude - tell me when I did selfvote in the last 2 years, show me one single post? Think you mean @stayoutoftherz not me - but as written I think he could do it given wht he has done for the chain since ages to maintain users.
I wasn’t attacking u. Just pointing out that u self vote and that it’s clear to see.
I have said this many times in the past. Yes, I self vote, because I spend hours and hours on my posts and I have invested a lot in Hive (around 2 BTC). I have another account for short posts (@stayooutoftherz) where I don´t self vote (100%, but just a fraction )as I consider the effort not that much. With that selfvotes I try to mitigate the loss I took by investing so much in it.
Do you have a problem with it?
HIVE ist voll von Zirkelvotern allererster 'Güte' - da entbehrt es nicht einer gewissen Ironie, dass sich ausgerechnet jemand wie du, der mittels manueller Kuratierung zahlreiche kleine User unterstützt, anhören muss, seine eigenen Hauptposts upzuvoten...
Ja, man muss ständig damit rechnen, dass einem jemand ans Bein pinkelt, nur weil man einmal eine Auffälligkeit aufdeckt und zur Diskussion stellt.
Einen Testpost hätte man ja auch mit @null als beneficiary machen können. Und nicht jeder versteht Spanisch. Da ist es doch logisch, dass jemand Fragen stellt.
I stopped self voting at all since a while as a certain person would immediately flag me to zero. However - many do it, even whales within their circle jerk (no name mentioning anymore) and consdering what people actually do for the chain, not only investing I think it is more than fair to selfvote in general if I would be @stayoutoftherz - who has problems with that?
Well, if you arent bringing eyes or inflow of money to cover the cost of the community of what you extract, then it doesn't produce a positive effect on the Hive price, and so your 2BTC principal investment suffers overall.
The idea is that in order for the Hive price to go higher, you must either bring in more money than the post is voted (i.e. pay for something using hive before you post about it), or bring enough eyes to cover the advertising value to cover the cost of the rewards of your posts. If you are just investing, posting and self voting without bringing eyes, then your principal investment will go down more than what you can extract (which is probably what you have actually experienced with your principal devaluation). As a side note, lack of understanding of this fundamental principle to the sustainability of Hive also is the reason everyone else has lost money, due to low Hive prices.
If your not bringing views to your blogs, to cover the cost of the rewards of your blogs, then the Hive price goes down, and so does your own personal principal investment.
Very smart, but how to measure how many "eyes" a post brings and what the corresponding advertising value is? We don´t even have reasonable viewing stats. At least my posts get some decent interactions.
From me as normal user you demand such evaluations, and on the other hand the DHF spends 100.000s HBD without the proposals ever delivering a proper breakdown of costs / allocation of budget or evaluation of the impact, etc..., just throwing out money. I think you are a little biased.
BTW, will you accuse others as well about their self votes? Or only people who are not whales?
At least that looks not that bad:
Whoever has more, should speak up. :-)
Thanks, and on Reddit it has even more - 6.5K views!
I could show you some of my posts on Redit with over 100k view :-) - that is traffic for free - some come, no idea how many join, and if they join how long they stay - that is the issue - but we are not the onboarding team, we can only help.
I did not onboard many but several that are pretty active (even they did not want in first place) - just saying @detlev or @melinda010100 or @tengolotodo and others such as @papilloncharity I knew before Steemit was invented - not got kudos for onboarding referral, maybe they also talked to others before such as @steevc before joining, but they are great community members. Quality over quantity
FYI @starkerz - onboarding newbies is cool, but the relevant task is to keep them if they provide quality, we do not need lurkers that join, get a free HP, powerdown and leave.
But I know how it is on shows - people say a lot - but that is typical in marketing / sales - do that since ages.
We need to educate people, we need to help but we need to focus on quality people - that is waht some people have to handle.
Love to learn to get such a view on reddit.
How many years of work does this take?
btw - my post on Reddit about the Buck that hit 800k views on Reddit resulted in nearly 8k views on ecency
The issue we have - posting an ecency link we only see views on ecency not on hive.blog or peakd cumulated - that makes it hard to have total numbers - and what we also need to evaluate who is joining as of this.
/cc @detlev @jaki01
Well, thanks for your engagement, @uwelang, but concerning me I am not so focused on HIVE that I would dive into the subleties of making advertisement efforts for HIVE on other platforms. :-)
Brings me to an idea
„Why some beer is called a bock“
But where on Reddit can I share this
what we have to say though - ususally Reddit posts are (should not) be posted by original creator as Reddit has struct rules and many sub reddit kick you for self promotion, hence ideally you post not your own Hive stuff but from others :-) @jaki01
I was not aware about this. I don´t get the rationale, but thanks.
Hey @stayoutoftherz - my best ever post with over 800k views was that one:
In general it is not forbidden to share your own posts but after several months we see many subreddits that ban any Hive links (some call it blog spamming). Every sub has its own rules enforced by moderators of these subreddit.
Very often the explicitley have a rule of "no-selfpromotion" - hence when you share your own content and they look at Hive say "self promo on a strange website" and delete your post or even ban you from sub - I am banned from several ones.
It is a tial and error thing over there given for every niche topic there are subreddits. @x-rain often compiles posts with Hive friendly subs but still we need to make sure to follow their rules, some subs require a certain Karma that you are allowed to post.
@tsnaks just wrote a "How To guide" - you might take a look here as well:
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@tsnaks/redditposh-earn-hive-through-sharing-on-reddit#@uwelang/re-tsnaks-t1m3ku
Will elaborate more tomorrow with examples, depending all on sub reddit, all are different, all different rules, moderators also different
Hang on - you say bringing views to a blog is covering rewards of the blog - and this is affecting the Hive prize? Hope you do not mean this seriously or are you new to blockchain / crypto and do not know why prizes pump or not?
If you talk about social media / this blogging part maybe different thing - hence I am saying this Steemit times get rid of rewarding people for writing content on layer 1, could work on layer 2, but layer 1 should be for use cases of business etc - the chain is still better as others (tech, security, wallet name) but we are seen as blogging platform - and this is the reason we are not growing in prize (none of such models ever worked, why should it, ask Steemit founder, as long as 99% of the world uses Facebook etc for free without complicated keys why should that be relevant for them to earn 2 cent?).
Other thing our brand is confusing, we have no good SEO, we need corporates to use the chain to create cool use cases that are relevant to wider audience - we do not have that still.
And as final thought - do not attack one of the few guys never circle jerking that put in real money and always support various people.
You are great in onboarding I saw but others to other good things here. Thanks!
I wasn’t attacking. Just pointing out that self voting is clear to see.
But next time ppl have an issue with one of my projects, please do have the respect to DM me first so things can be resolved first before posting things on chain flasely suggesting people are scamming the system or extracting money from hive. Especially if one already upvotes their own content
Dude - tell me when I did selfvote in the last 2 years, show me one single post? Think you mean @stayoutoftherz not me - but as written I think he could do it given wht he has done for the chain since ages to maintain users.
Sorry to interrupt the conversation; what tool is that?
https://magicmonk.org/hivemates/
Thanks!