War Is Peace

in GEMS3 years ago

Germany has had a strong history of peace movements, but today things seem to have changed

This was especially the case during the cold war when missiles from the US were set to be stationed in West-Germany. There were thousands in the streets during that time demonstrating for peace and the end of militarization. Today, we are once again stuck in a terrible conflict with the Ukraine-Russia hot war which is a proxy war for the "West" against Russia/Putin.

But demanding peace and an end of conflict will now get you into trouble from the mainstream consciousness. You might be called a Putin sympathizer and should be basically ashamed of yourself for thinking anything else other than trying to "win" this war against this dictator. But how can it be "wrong" to fight for peace? It seems to me that the world is on its head. War is Peace is what Orwell told us a long time ago, after all...

Several days ago there was an attempt to bridge two cities many dozens of kilometers apart with people holding hands. This was already achieved back during the cold war, but this time it failed. Well the weather didn't help - it was raining cats and dogs...

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Here is the still connected human bridge in the middle of the city. But just several hundred meters down the road the chain was broken. In fact, there weren't any people to be seen far and wide.

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I cannot say that I am surprised after the media onslaught against the idea of peace here. It's the same thing that happened with the "pandemic": brainwashing on a massive scale. But there is also a universal truth regarding this: every action entails a reaction. The attempt to swing people's minds towards a "truth" has certainly been a wake up call to many that have been asleep.

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The attempt to swing people's minds towards a "truth" has certainly been a wake up call to many that have been asleep.

When the "truth" we are expected to believe is more surreal than real, it's pretty hard not to wake up, as from a nightmare. Former friends, who just two years ago openly called me things like public enemy, far-right Q crazy, white supremacist, and domestic terrorist, have started calling me to apologize. I can only hope they have the foresight to resist hating me/us when the BS comes around again.

We have been distracted, at taxpayer expense, from seeing the wars our governments wage, by being told to fear and hate each other instead. Climate change looks to be the next big con. May fewer of us fall for that one.

well at least they started talking with you again which is something that does not happen too often. I think the overarching theme of humanity has always been control vs. freedom. With that lens many conflicts/ideologies in society start to make sense and climate change just falls in line with that. Unfortunately just about everyone I know has bought into it already and kids are now completely indoctrinated with "facts" about it. I am all for environment and keeping the planet clean and saving species, but CO2 is definitely not the problem. In fact, the idea that it is a "dirty" molecule is itself ridiculous as it is the basis for life... I always laugh when I see "green" products showing how many tons of CO2 have been reduced and then showing trees right next to it. They are literally starving the plants of the thing they need.

Like much of what we have been told lately, that is surreal. We are being systematically disabled to tell real from surreal, to accept surreal as fact. Mentally disabled, and so disarmed. Pretty interesting really. Idk why you and I have not drunk the kool ade, while so many around us have.

Do you know Judith Curry? I watched an interview with her (trying to find it to give a link) in which she said that there are more than 80 possible scenarios for future climate changes, or not, and that the one we are being fed is none other than the worst of those scenarios. Likely not true. Here's her website if you're interested https://judithcurry.com/

great to know that there are people like you that are thinking outside the box :) I have followed the whole climate issue for at least a decade so, yes I know Judith Curry. There are so many good scientists out there that are always a good finger pointer for people that haven't heard the other side of the story.

I would still advocate for peace any time any day. If disputes are settled amicably and people learn to tolerate one nother, putting other people's Interest first before theirs, there will be peace. The circle of hatred can be broken

This is such an important message! When one realizes how hatred and war are a vicious (generational) cycle one can then put an end to it. Although this is never easy and requires a lot of work and forgiving.

I hope all these wars will stopped that are happening in the world today, and we will have a peace all around.

indeed, what kind of a place would Earth be if it were so? Heaven?

Not like heaven, but our life would be so much easy, there will be no worries. People will not have the fear of losing a life due to the war. currently happening in Russia and Ukraine.

It's sad that people don't want to know the reasons or the truth, they just want to live in comfortable illusions.

I haven't really dived into this; but from what it shows it is quite appalling and revealing that the MSM does not cover it.

Today, we are once again stuck in a terrible conflict with the Ukraine-Russia hot war which is a proxy war for the "West" against Russia/Putin.

It's a war started by Russia against Ukraine for the purpose of preventing it from integrating with Western institutions, specifically the EU with which president Yanukovich was about to sign an association agreement with until Putin pressured him not to in 2014. The reason for that is Russia's imperialistic desire to restore its empire and the utter lack of respect it has for the sovereignty of its neighbors. Stop repeating Russia's talking points and being a useful idiot to a dictator.

Here's an interview of the FSB officer who pulled the trigger on the so-called civil war in 2014:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2014/11/21/russias-igor-strelkov-i-am-responsible-for-war-in-eastern-ukraine-a41598

Russia's large scale attack of 2022 aiming at the complete destruction of Ukraine as a state and later as an ethnicity and as a people as stated by Russian propagandists is but a continuation of the war that had already started.

This is the sort of extremely sick and disturbing material you will see on Russian state television:

But demanding peace and an end of conflict will now get you into trouble from the mainstream consciousness. You might be called a Putin sympathizer and should be basically ashamed of yourself for thinking anything else other than trying to "win" this war against this dictator. But how can it be "wrong" to fight for peace? It seems to me that the world is on its head.

No peace that does not end in Russia's complete defeat will last. Ukraians know that, which is why they want to drive the Russian forces away from all their land. Russia would only use such peace to rebuild its military and invade again. Rewarding Russia for its brutal invasion by pressuring Ukraine to negotiate is nothing but appeasement of the criminal dictator Putin who wants to rebuild Russia's lost empire.

The West has shown enough weakness in front of Russia since it invaded Georgia in 2008. If Russia is not stopped in Ukraine, the whole of Eastern Europe will burn.

You should be demanding that Russia withdraw its forces from Ukraine. That would end the war right away. Yet, you don't and that is very revealing. Instead, you blame the West that is providing Ukraine help in its defense against an aggressor who aims at wiping it off the map and killing everyone who identifies as a Ukrainian - and side with the aggressor. Shame on you!

I'm not sure that you understood the author of the post correctly. But I could be wrong...

Otherwise, yes, you are absolutely right, and all adequate Russians know it. And many of them are already out of the country, if circumstances allow them to do so.

And that jerk in the video doesn't deserve any attention at all right now. We are all waiting for people like that to go to jail for saying such things...

Have a good day and peace to you!

I hope you will be able to live in a free country instead of a dictatorship in Belarus.

When/if the Lukashenko regime falls, I think it makes sense to study carefully what went wrong when the Soviet Union fell and learn from it. I've heard Lukashenko has kept much of the Soviet era welfare state in place. Is this true? If it is true, I would be careful about dismantling the social safety net to the extent it was done in Russia and many other countries in the ex-Soviet space.

Yes, it's true. I myself am waiting cautiously to see what might happen to us in the coming years. And it's certain to happen soon...
Sincere thanks for your wishes, buddy! 🙌🙌🙌🙌

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I think nobody is arguing that Russia started this brutal and horrible war when it invaded Ukraine in 2022. The world would surely be a better place without Putin. But we have to dig a little bit deeper here. Is the claim by Putin that Nato has been continually expanding eastwards and thereby constituting a threat untrue? While it can be argued that Nato might never wanted to attack Russia per se, it is hard to argue against the fact that Nato has been expanding towards Russia. As far as I know there was an agreement in the 90s in which Nato stated that they would not expand eastward. But with Clinton and Bush they broke this promise. I think it is clear that Russia would never have attacked Ukraine if Nato would not have done this expansion. John Mearsheimer has also argued that Russia does not have "imperialist dreams". It is quite frankly absurd to argue that Russia would somehow want to conquer (western) Europe: with what forces would they do that? It would take millions and resources that Russia simply does not have. But it makes sense to me that they would want to banish the threat of Nato missiles targeted at them which is why they have drawn a red line in Ukraine.

No peace that does not end in Russia's complete defeat will last.

This is the kind of thinking that gets us into WWIII. We have to use diplomacy and not war to solve this crisis. If you back someone in the corner and threaten to destroy it militarily, do you think they will not respond more fiercely? This strategy might have worked with states that were weaker (e.g. Iraq), but it is a folly to do so with a nuclear capable state.

You should be demanding that Russia withdraw its forces from Ukraine.

What makes you think I do not? Of course I am. But I can also see that it is an impossible demand to make now. Again, we need diplomacy to solve this. Even Mark Milley stated that the chance to defeat Russia militarily in Ukraine is at close to 0%

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But we've always been at war with Eurasia?