maybe not entirely clear. I think it was the oral societies, preliterate societies, I think is what... Yeah, I'm not sure this argument is necessarily borne by the record. One way to think about this is there's this caves, the Neolithic caves, or one is being at Lascaux. One is at Chauvet in France and others at Lascaux. The one at Chauvet is about 32,000 years old. The one at Lascaux, which we had studied much longer, was about 16,000 years old. And so the distance, the historical record between the present Lascaux and Chauvet are all about 16,000 years. The Wehrner Herzog film that you might be familiar with is at Chauvet at the beginning. And one of things you see in the art that happens there is that there's a representation of animals and a representation of the world around these ancestors of ours. Everything is represented sort of in a kind of horizontal movement. But at Lascaux, 16,000 years later, there's this huge shift where things meet your gaze. The animal looks at you in (28/42)
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