And I heard this directly, just like that from President Yeltsin. So these were absolutely extraordinary days. So Dr. Sachs, I want to make the best use of our time possible. And maybe I can convince you at the end of the conversation to come back because there are sort of two major categories that I've identified in the course of constructing an outline for this conversation. One was to kind of zoom out and understand your central critique of U.S. foreign policy and what others call American exceptionalism as it pertains to international affairs. And that would lead to a conversation about the national security state, the CIA, and Schlesinger's imperial presidency. The other part is to understand your critique of U.S. foreign policy in the post-Cold War era and specifically as it pertains to Ukraine and then also to understand your larger conception of the international system. I think the reason why this is really important and I want to emphasize this with listeners is that there (14/45)
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