much of the impediments that were erected, let's say, by populist regimes, were the result of cultural factors? And how much were simply the fact that these regimes or these administrations or candidates came to power by directly delegitimizing or pointing to the inefficiencies or corruptions of the existing institutions, and that therefore, in their response, it was very difficult to consistently corral the population to follow the administered line? That's right. It's a vicious circle in the logic of populism. And you may say that there's a kind of... I mean, the way I would see it is that over the last generation or so, 40 years, there has been a... From the beginning of neoliberalism, there has been a kind of deliberate dismantling and deconstruction of the principle of governance, both on the right and on the left, as a kind of something that should be seen with a kind of permanent suspicion. This dismantling of governance makes governance ineffective. That governance becomes (8/42)
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