manifest as political populism and in movements like Occupy Wall Street and Wall Street Bets, and social media, which has transformed our society in ways that I think we're only just beginning to really grapple with and understand. And this decade is already shaping up to be as explosive at the very least as the early 2000s with a pandemic of COVID-19 and with the war in Ukraine. But the big backdrop in all of this is this larger conversation of the global order. And are we currently living through a reorganization of the global order that is something analogous to what we saw during the interwar period or during the post-World War II period? What do you think, let's say if we were doing this conversation in 2030, what do you think this decade will have been remembered for? I think the decade will be remembered first for the backlash against globalization, the populist politicians and pressures, disaffection with the elites, identity politics, and problems around the management of (7/38)
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