of investors. That can take you very far, but if you don't build a sustainable business, then you have a very high diving board that you're at risk of. So Tesla was founded in 2003. It sold its first car in 2010. That was shortly after the market peaked at over $140 a barrel. They were expecting, yeah, oil. There were expectations that we would see $200 a barrel. I mean, certainly no one expected that we would not know one. I'm sure there were people that did, but many people were caught flat footed by the fracking revolution. Caught me off guard. Yeah, it caught me off guard as well. And so how much of a role do you think that has played in acting as a headwind for Tesla in its attempt to break through as a startup car manufacturer? Yeah. I mean, I think that's one reason electric cars are still niches. I mean, GM, I think Bloomberg reported a year ago or so that GM's electric car, the Chevy Bolt, which is not particularly selling. That was Lutz's project, wasn't it? Yes. Yeah, I (15/45)
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