Last night, I did some research on one of the upcoming features of HardFork 28 (GitHub link), which will be released on the 19th of this month, the change in upvoting. Basically, there will no longer be any decay in the value of our upvotes. The value will remain consistent from the first upvote to the last, regardless of our upvote mana level.
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I think this is one of the changes that aligns with what is mentioned during the core dev panel discussion, improving the quality of life here in Hive. This change simplifies one of the regular activities we do on the platform, and I believe it’s a great step forward as we continue to bring Hive to a wider audience.
The reason I say that is because, if you pay close attention to your upvoting, the value of your upvote decreases with each subsequent upvote, assuming you upvote one post after another. There’s currently a 2% decay in the value of each following upvote unless you allow your mana to replenish before upvoting again, which takes about two hours. Because of this, some curators follow a discipline of giving out upvotes equivalent to 10 full (100%) upvotes per day to ensure their mana fully regenerates every 24 hours.
Seasoned or veteran curators have already adapted to this discipline and probably don’t mind it anymore. However, for new Hive users or curators, this adds an extra layer of complexity to their experience. In the case of users with low Hive Power (HP), it even risks nullifying their curation efforts when their upvote value drops below the “Reward/Dust Threshold Level.” Just to refresh our memory, the dust threshold on Hive is $0.02, meaning if a post or comment’s reward is below that threshold, it will be nullified. Both the curator and the post author won’t receive any curation reward or post payout after seven days.
To demonstrate the effect of vote value decay and how it can lead to a user’s vote being nullified due to the reward or dust threshold, let me show you an example in table form. Let’s analyze the case of a Hive user with 3,500 HP (Hive Power), which is equivalent to $444 at the current Hive price of $0.126. In this example, we’ll assume the user gives a series of consecutive 100% upvotes without allowing their mana to replenish between votes.
I chose this curation behavior as an example because new users who only have 10–15 minutes a day to curate might prefer manual curation and end up doing quick, “trigger-happy” upvotes on their favorite authors’ posts—or perhaps upvoting all the comments on their own posts.
Here are the first 10 consecutive 100% upvotes for 3,500 HP assuming no regen between votes with ~2% decay per vote:
| # | Value (USD) |
|---|---|
| 1 | $0.02293 |
| 2 | $0.02247 |
| 3 | $0.02202 |
| 4 | $0.02158 |
| 5 | $0.02115 |
| 6 | $0.02072 |
| 7 | $0.02031 |
| 8 | $0.01990 |
| 9 | $0.01950 |
| 10 | $0.01911 |
As you can see, by the 8th upvote, the value has dropped below the threshold. If the post or comment doesn’t receive another upvote to raise its value, the reward for both the curator and the author will be nullified. This makes the experience frustrating for both parties, which is why the new system aims to resolve this issue.
In the new system, the value of a 3,500 HP upvote will remain the same at $0.02293. This means you will no longer feel constrained by the reward or dust threshold, and you can upvote with confidence, knowing exactly how much reward you’re distributing to a post or comment.
Overall, I think this change is a big improvement that makes curation simpler and more rewarding for everyone on Hive. It removes unnecessary complexity and encourages more engagement from both new and experienced users. With this update, we’re definitely moving closer to making Hive more user-friendly and accessible to the masses.
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Oh yeah, this is a great move :)
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Absolutely, such a welcome change for curators and authors alike! 😄
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BEER.From what I've read, the value of the vote will no longer decrease according to the VP? I think my 100% vote is worth about 0.12 or 0.14 cents, so I'll be able to vote 100% all the time, and even if my VP goes down, the value will remain as high as possible?
Yes that's exactly right and I confirmed that based on how BT explained during the panel discussion as well. For me that will change the dynamics of our upvoting pattern I guess :)
I'm going to press down hard on the mouse to vote, I'm going to sink the mouse into the table.
Exactly! You’ll be able to upvote freely without worrying about your VP dropping the value. The new system makes it much easier to curate confidently. 💪
That'll be really cool, it's got me excited. I just hope there aren't any negative side effects.
Unfortunately, there will still be some form of abuse (somehow) and I believe the core devs and curation community are aware of it... hopefully it can be avoided through dialogue otherwise they will use downvoted as a last resort 🧐
tks. i was planing to research what the hardfork will change....
It's my pleasure and if you wish to check the other changes, you may find the TLDR here:
https://github.com/openhive-network/hive/releases/tag/1.28.0
nice, so looks like only the vote is a big impact for most users, the rest will be smooth transparent
That's sounds like it's begging for "abuse" to me.. the depreciation in vote value is what stops people from over voting... or over voting percentage wise
Good point! The devs did mention safeguards to prevent abuse, so it’ll be interesting to see how it plays out in practice. 👀
Thank you so much bro for such information. I'm actually quite low on HP, because I'm somewhat new. And, it took me a lot of time to understand things on this platform. I'm still in my phase, but I'm pushing for more HP. This voting system will be of real help for me. Although, I still won't be able to pass 0.02 threshold, but boost+ allows me to vote upto 0.003 and sometimes 0.004 🤭.
That’s awesome to hear! Every bit of HP counts... and yes, tools like boost+ really help fill that gap for new users. I'm also using it, used 6000 Ecency points to have 200HP for a month 😁. Keep growing your stake... you’re on the right track. 💪
That would really simplify things. This was one of the quirks about HIVE that I learned about early on. That said, the old guides probably need to be changed/updated now. 🤣
Haha true! Those old guides definitely need an update now. This change will simplify curation big time. 😄
Interesting. Thanks for sharing, haven't heard about this so far.
But if you always have the same VP regardless of mana, then I can distribute countless upvotes and thus receive virtually infinite curation rewards. Where is the limit or the limiting factor?
The mana still depletes for every vote so we still need to replenish it 😁. It's only the $value of the upvote that remains the same until we run out of mana.
I get it, thanks! :)
For example I could upvote from 100% mana until 0% mana, and then I can't give any upvotes anymore and have to wait for new mana, right?
Yes that's right. And while you're casting those upvotes, the $value remains the same, it will not get any lesser until you can no longer cast an upvote.
For me it will become simpler, no longer worrying about the $value dropping for every upvotes casted. 😁
That means we will vote the shit out of our VP? There are hardly enought posts to vote for :-)
Upvotes are still limited by the amount of mana we have left. 😁
Fair point… We definitely need more good content creators here who can meet your standards. Apparently, mine didn’t quite make the cut. 😞
we will see how it works in reality then :-)
Yeah, also curious whether it will make an impact 🤪
I struggle with this sentence in your post "The value will remain consistent from the first upvote to the last, regardless of our upvote mana level."
Hmm, let’s take your account as an example. Have you wondered why your current vote value is $1.027 while your max vote value is $1.225? That’s because your Voting Mana is currently at 83.80%.
In the new system, however, your current vote value will remain at $1.225 regardless of your Voting Mana level.
For me, that’s the beauty of the new system... I no longer have to keep adjusting my upvote percentage just to ensure that every author I support receives the same vote value I intend to give. 😁
Yes I understand but you mentioned mana level still important, why then if nothing changes?
That's cool. Thank you for saving our time. Cheers!
Glad you found it helpful! This update will really simplify curation for everyone. Cheers! 🍻
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BEER.Removing the upvote decay will make things easier for everyone and help more people stay active. It’s nice to see Hive always working to improve the experience for both old and new users.
Exactly! This move makes Hive much easier to use for everyone... love seeing these quality-of-life improvements. 🚀
thanks for this, been struggling finding info on how the fork affects front end users experience and "need to know" rather than the technical stuff behind the scenes. thanks!!!
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Glad this helped! I tried to focus on the user-side experience since most updates tend to be technical. Appreciate the feedback! 🙏
yeah super helpful, do post if you find anything else that is "user experience need to know stuff"
much appreciated.
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Very interesting I always asked myself that question pprque the vote is reduced for the user, thanks for the information
This is an interesting fork. I like the no decay.
This is a TERRIBLE MOVE -> everyone sees this as a free pass -> considering it's a set ammt of rewards in the pool, this is just going to be funnelling everything to the top accounts... -> whats stopping the biggest abusers from just upvoting their own comments 200 times in a row -> and then delegating their power to another account -> and then re upvoting them all again 50 times over and just pulling the overall fund down...
terrible move here unless im missing something