Illusion of freedom of speech on Hive and Leo finance
Hive is a good Web3 platform and I have been using it since its inception, before which I was on Steemit. I am very much a part of the Hive community, I have grown as a writer here writing articles not only on crypto, but on cats, dogs, travel, life, books, films etc. It’s my home, but I have a major issue with Hive.
I have written about @Leofinance that it’s a great platform, why people would leave twitter and begin using Leofinance, because their accounts and posts cannot be censured in Leofinance or Hive so there will be freedom of expression.
Reality of not being able to freely tweet on Twitter, so flying away to thread at Leo Finance!! HA!!
However, in reality, due to arbitrary downvotes gifted by certain elements here - I am not sure, people have true freedom of expression and many good quality loyal Hive authors like me would leave the platform.
A good Leofinance post mercilessly downvoted to Zero!! (wonder why not go to -minus)
Consider this -
One of my posts that earned 0.55 cents with 33 votes with support from @indiaunited is down to zero because its been downvoted by 5 accounts.
The hardest vote onslaught being that of - @meritocracy. Then I have @spaminator and @freebornsociety @replicantua @scamforest supporting that powerful downvote with theirs.
Why was this post downvoted ?
Crescent Network to renovate with new features evolving into a Dex with advanced functionalities
- It’s an original well researched article on a DEFI platform Crescent. It was first posted on Hive before anywhere else, and in other places I have mentioned that I post articles in Hive, publish0x and medium. I also post on Steemit but I don’t mention it anywhere, because certain Hive elements will downvote just for that!!
- The article is not offensive - that’s obvious.
- For all images posted there I quoted the source.
So, how can any account arbitrarily for no genuine reason downvote such a post?
Shameful when downvoters downvote valuable articles that educate readers about Blockchain!!
My article that was featured by @leo.voter because of it being a quality article that explained something very valuable - IBC, a decentralised trustless interoperability protocol, that makes it possible for Blockchains to communicate by passing any kind of message without using 3rd party centralised bridges.
Secure interoperability between Blockchains a reality today with Cosmos’s IBC protocol
Since that post explained IBC which is something very complicated and difficult to understand otherwise, it should be respected. I consider all downvoters who downvoted that article just not respecting quality content, or efforts of writers educating readers on Blockchain!!
Dammit!! Shame on you downvoters who downvote excellent articles like that!! It is a disrespect to crypto and blockchain, when an article that elucidates about a decentralised interoperability protocol, which is very valuable and needed in the blockchain space today gets downvoted!!
Fortunately, since I got support from @leo.voter and @indiaunited, that post did not go to 0!!
Again, it’s @meritocracy’s severe downvote that removed half the rewards from the post,, that account gave a powerful 100% downvote, removing half the voting rewards given by @leo.voter (8.846).
I ignored this because well, that’s life in HIVE!!
Obviously, if the post was plaumarised it would never have been supported by @leo.voter and @indiaunited, so there seems to be no sensible reason for downvoting that post.
Downvoters are harming HIve’s growth downvoting posts that promote platforms like Leofinance
Another post where I excitedly talked about Leofinance being a superior platform to threads and twitter got support from @Leo.voter, @indiaunited earned 11 $ but after downvotes from my usual downvoters
@meritocracy,@spaminator, @freebornsociety along with a new downvoter @
samuraiscam it’s down to 5.
Again it's @meritocracy powerful -100% downvote that removed -5.480 from the rewards of 11.
I ignored it… but if that post was not supported by @leo.voter and @indiauited it would have also been down to 0!!
Leo Finance can be that Social Media star that Threads or Twitter can never be!!
Mind it’s a positive post on Leofiance and how can Hive users downvote it?. Are they anti-Hive?. They don’t approve of posts that talk about the merits of Leofinance or Hive Blockchain?. So, are these accounts not doing harm to Hive and LeoFinance indirectly?
Specific Conditions on which a post can be allowed to be downvoted by accounts
I really think Hive and other Hive based platforms have to find a solution to this arbitrary downvote abuse.
When a downvote is given, it should be responsibility given only -
- If a post is plagiarized. This means that the writer has posted someone else's content as their own. That post should be invalidated, no compromise.
- If copyrighted pictures are put in the post without attributing the source. It's always good to give credit to the person who created the image you put on your post.
- If a post is offensive and indecent.
*This could be - if it has unacceptable content like porn, spreads misinformation, hate, violence, insulting and hurting religious sentiments of people/community etc. Let’s call these posts indecent posts, that need to be taken down. *
Since that’s not possible in Web3 it should be downvoted completely and such posts can be hidden as well!!
- Spam posts that are very bad quality posts that have no substantial content. They are junk posts that should be rejected!!
Irresponsible downvotes should not be validated and tolerated on Hive!! 
A post otherwise cannot be downvoted, that is irresponsible downvoting and @spaminator @freebornsociety and @meritocracy are engaging in irresponsible, arbitrary downvoting continuously in many of my posts.
@spaminator is connected to @hivewatcher, that account downvotes even the comments and replies I make, and my Leofinance threads and thread replies!!
I don’t think downvoters who without valid reason downvote posts should be encouraged any longer. It’s a punishment given to innocent writer and it hits us because its unfair!!
I have no idea if @freebornsociety and @meritocracy and @spaminator are in league together, downvoting posts.
Shame on you guys that you downvote posts that even highlights the benefits of Hive and Leofinance platforms, because you are harming the growth of Hive web3 platforms this way man!!
Let’s keep in mind irresponsible downvotes will hinder growth of Hive Web3 social media platforms
@Hive based web3 platforms whatever features the various teams and witnesses put in and how awesome these Hive web3 platforms become, if these persistent downvotes from accounts continue given for no valid reason, I am sorry when the platform scales as more users onboard and large scale adoption takes place there will be a problem.
Users will fight and the one with more power( whales) will show arrogance and downvote. Or, most likely a group of users will team up to downvote other users, if they fancy for reasons of their own. It’s just a hostile environment for users!!
I urge you guys to find a solution for this before the platform scales. It’s a big issue!!
I am sorry I have to say this, I am a valuable hiver, community member and still look forward to grow on the platform, but if there will be downvote trolls who downvote my good quality posts and no support to prevent this, then maybe I have to leave…
Many users are left absolutely tired and helpless with this #downvote arbitrary abuse problem.
My Downvote trolls have the guts then explain why you downvoted my good posts!!
And all my persistent downvoters now is the chance to explain why you downvoted my two articles here .
@spaminator you seem to be assuming me to be your enemy that you downvote every single thread reply I make. Man, seriously??? … very irresponsible activity that’s actually spoiling the fun in Hive Blockchain platform.
Right guys… For now, I am going to write really good quality posts and garner upvotes from @leo.curator , @leo.voter, @indiaunited, other users in Hive’s community and move on.
I made my point that my posts are being downvoted for no valid reason and one of my posts that earned 0.55$ from 33 votes, has gone to zero. Plus 2 of my high quality posts lost half of the earned rewards.
Thanks for reading!!!
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Thanks for the share friend, last month i had issue with spamminator downvoting my post.
I had all that sorted out when i went to their discord group to find out why i got downvoted this bad.
I suggest you find time to visit hivewatcher discord server for more information about your posts downvote.
Wish you all the best buddy.
@mccoy02 first a fall, good news your issue is sorted. Now, let me tell you, I tried contacting @spaminator, but in that account profile the discort account link is invalid...
this is the discort link in that profile - https://discord.com/invite/p9DN3DA
See, they should be easily contactable atleast, I have not got any response from @spaminator anywhere, there is ego and arrogance that you downvote, but not be reachable, why can't that account respond to this post instead of another downvote!!
I searched for these accounts on discort no avail.
This post is again downvoted by @spaminator, as if its spam, even though that account could have responded here, I have to make additional efforts on finding discort account.
I am not happy with me or others needing to dance to the tunes of these downvoters, even though my post is actually ok. It's more like bullying but I am happy for you dear...
I see @hivewatcher has been kind enough to direct me to discort account o enquiry to them why those group members downvotes my posts.
If not I would have asked you for how to contact them link... but I as I tell I tried contacting @spaminator and @hivewatcher , there was no discort link in the profile.
Thanks for replying...
Have a great day!!
I do understand how frustrating this is i guess spamminator dont respond to messages i did that too.
On that note try reaching out to hivewatcher discord server, you will be attended to asap.
Wish you the very best buddy.
Here is the discord server link https://discord.gg/t6DNSg5S
@spaminator, is a auto downvoting vote run by hivewatchers so no response.
I also been assured I have been removed from blacklist, But I was downvoted for the wrong reasons all this while... nothing can be done on that... but atleast hopefully no more downvotes
Glad to see some positive results.
@matheusggr @jaster @mccoy02 @bilpcoinbpc @tobywalter @andy4475 @jacuzzi
Hi! we understand how frustrating can it be to get your posts down to zero or almost zero. As you must know if you have been part of both platforms, Hive comes to existence because of strong disagreements with the values of Steem, so it is understandable (even though we don't support arbitrary down votes) why curators will not support content creators that keep posting on that platform.
It seems like @mccoy02 has had a similar experience, we hope his advice can help you understand what is happening and solve this issue.
Keep creating great content!
Could you guys completely ban every single user of their team? They are now behaving more like thugs?
@decoding my post on downvote, check it out!!
You also forgot to mention that @adm as well.
I went and asked in discort, and I was getting downvoted for wrong reasons.
They have a record of each user, and they blacklisted.
And atleast spaminator is a autobot run by hivewatchers.
I been removed from blacklist now, but that criteria for blacklisting me itself was wrong, @hivewatcher did not verify, but I am glad that I should not be receiving anymore downvotes.
If only the discort link in spaminator account was updated to correct one I would have approached them earlier and got less downvotes, some articles of late were downvoted severely but its over I guess.
I am not talking about this further now...although I still say downvote mechanism should be tweaked to avoid a issue that will come when platform scales and users hop in...
All my Hive posts votes are organic, meaning got upvotes fairly not by other ways... which @hivewatcher understood, and told I am removed from blacklist.
anyway...
I believe this is the power of speaking.
yes... should not show anger I guess, I have been unfairly downvoted but should not rant on that, and just clear off from blacklist and move on. that happened, I did not expect.
We should speak.
Not sure it works with them. I felt like your summoned to a place, and one entity has record (account)of you... they tell you , you did this, which I did not, and... its a accusation ... they have no proper evidence too... finally you say no I did not do this...they finally release you... nothing about the downvote rewards taken from you before.
Pretty hard. Can't speak
If you speak it will be like when the accusation is baseless, why the downvotes, what about all that's wiped off for no reason?
No... can't speak up but just say your not done what they accused for.. but atleast they responded and did remove blacklist. End of story
it happened fast there... and no apology letter etc... many people needing to write apology letter... I guess thats for people who did something wrong... anyway
In the end, lets see what happens will the downvote mechanism be adopted to deal with downvote overreach, maybe in future, may not be... till then, tow the line, not do anything that offends the downvoter as much as possible... that's all can be done for now!!
dust downvotes can be ignored, but I was of late getting bomb downvotes, which had me write this post...something came out of it anyway.
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I agree with you about the damage of random downvote without at least leave a commemñnt explaining why.
Check if they downvote you automatically and the conditions of that trail. If is 2 post per day You can post in dbuzz twice and then publish your post without get a downvote.
I disagree with you about consider porn indecent posts, that need to be taken down. If that kind of post includes the #nsfw, are original content and are published in communities focused on that kind of post should not be downvoted.
yeah... porn community is there on Hive, I seen the token. Its a controversial topic, but in general porngraphic content has negative effects on the mind because there is violence, only lustful energy... and I doubt weather its to spread knowledge or trigger hunger for lust and weather thpse on the videos are exploited victims.
But well, if its on the appropriate community , yup , I don't recommend downvotes, but personally I will really find such content offensive and I would not venture there in general.
Thanks for coming here... this issue is sorted and there will be no downvotes from them. They thought I got unorganic votes on my blogs, which is not the case. And yes, one account downvote was automatic.
I got a upvote from that account in this post as the issue is sorted. spaminator account. But I still say it can be really bad if you attract downvote from whale for no genuien reason and they won't stop. Luckily that's not the case with me here.
The Spaminator/Hivewatchers Blacklist Appeals:
https://discord.gg/p9DN3D5
Appeal? Buahahah
Appeal or make people beg there?
If you don't have answers you kick people of the group.
If you had some sense you would have felt what you thugs are doing. But some of you guys look like utter retards.
Make original content, every time, don't spam, and move on.
At some point they will look bad for flagging original content and go away on their own.
As long as all you are getting is dust votes, ignore them.
Anybody that has been here any length of time at all knows the score on those downvotes, as anybody on web2 knows their value.
Nobody cares about the downvotes there.
You were banned from our Discord for vulgarity and threats.
We only ban people in Discord for these reasons:
Vulagirty/threats.
Phishing links.
Refusal to stop the spam.
Wait a minute... Vulgarity?
Show me that please.
And yes, also phishing links
And spam as well
Users feel threatened by you thugs.