I am not sure if I like those automatic "onboarding" apps like checkinwith.xyz. There was another one recently (forgot it´s name), where during a crypto conference in Mexico(?) also tons of new usernames were added. Probably 99% of them won´t return, are not even aware about the potential of Hive.
Key is that every new user has a buddy that follows up actively and helps and motivates through the "valley of despair" after the intro post. And those apps don´t help with that.
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I agree that mentorship is key... apps can help onboard, but human support is what drives retention. Great point.
A thing I often see on hive is complaining without an alternative solution provided. @stayoutoftherz i have zero desire to argue, but I get confused by someone complaining about new onboarding solutions when for years the complaint has been that onboarding is not easy on Hive.
So this comment about not liking the checkinwith.xyz app is a bit baffling.
I can only assume the app is not understood and thus complaining is easier than exploring what it is.
I’d like to take a minute and explain a bit the app. As i think you would like it and maybe even be a perfect trusted hivean to use it.
Not everyone can use the checkinwith.xyz app. Only vetted and verified hiveians can use it too onboard.
The people who are onboarded may not stay, but there is no doubt they are real humans and not bots. That already is a big win.
Those who have been given ‘trusted’ onboarding status to use this app would more than likely be better placed to nurture new users through the first months on hive. So this checkinwith.xyz has this ‘buddy’ you speak of to walk people through that valley of despair, that’s practically the point of the app. It’s giving trusted hiveians a tool to easily bring in real humans to the community.
How exactly is this app a bad thing?? Because 99% won’t stay??? So what is the solution? Onboard no one and have a 100% retention rate of nobody?
You missed my point, the app itself is not bad, I did check it, in fact it is awesome.
But the best app is useless when the newly onboarded users are not taken care of and babysitted in their next steps. Without this support - which is time consuming and requires also a true willingness from the mentee - there will be just another inactive user.
I checked some random new users (e.g. here), most of them were not even followed by their onboarders, and none had done a single comment, upvote let alone a longer intro post or follow up post (apart a few distriator-generated copy&paste posts).
If that is the users you want, then I have to tell you: we need growth, but a real sustainable growth. And I have no good solution for this.
I would need to say more than I have time now, but the solution is not to add yet another app. Soon we have more apps than active users!
I can not speak for everyone who is using the checkinwith.xyz,
But in our current use case we are attempting to onboard with a utility first approach. We are trying to get people in the town to get accounts so that they can get the benefits of the distriator rebates.
Our current focus is not on the blogging aspects. We are talking about blogging, but I am saying to people I onboard to consider these accounts there spend accounts.
We are encouraging the purchase of HBD so that they can have access to the rebates.
This is an iteration.
We don’t know if it will work.
But our idea is, get people enjoying the utility of hive tools and maybe they want to learn and explore more.
So far we have moved over 200$ of HBD into the system in these trials, and we really are only in testing phase.
The month of July we will move into full action phase.
We are tracking metrics and will give reports throughout this trial.
I’m interested in retention for sure.
I guess a question is, if the person is buying hbd and using the spend hbd tools, but not posting blogs… are they still considered retained? Is this not also good pumping hbd spending?
We are committed at this Hive Hub experiment to keep trying things, keep iterating, keep publishing what we discover.
But we are here, in the mix, really trying and learning as we do.
My hope is that others do their own experiments, try their own way of onboarding. At the end of the day…. We need more people’s actions and less of people’s opinions and words.
That may seem like a jab, but my intention is to say a true statement and not point it at you directly.
I appreciate the fact that different people are trying different things. E.g. I help @samostically onboarding new chess players on Hive, so far I have created app. 15 accounts, several of them have started blogging and are playing for our Hive chess team which is a completely different approach to create some visibility.
Nice, that sounds a great way to onboard. I really like niche reasons to onboard, so a chess player onboarding initiative sounds brilliant to me✊
If you want to support us, I'd be grateful. You can see their introduction posts here
https://peakd.com/@sam.chess
Also we have tournaments and also I’m starting one early next month. All aimed at player retention.
You can support us @sam.chess or follow my curation trail to support them and also increase the prize pool.
https://hive.vote/dash.php?trail=Samostically+&i=1
By creating accounts, we learn how to create accounts.
By onboarding people, we learn to onboard people.
By inboarding people, we learn to retain them.
By making friends, we encourage them to stick around.
Yes, any system can be abused. But I think its worse to do nothing. We have to try things, iterate and learn.
here is a feed of all the newbies who were onboarded by such methods. maybe you can help us vote for some of them. they are all real people, with real, proof of person checkins done. all keenly waiting votes from whales. https://ecency.com/@pioneersupporter/feed
I am happy to upvote any original content, but so far there was not too much from those users in the last week!