Hard Fork 25: Recurring Payments A Major Addition

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Hard Fork 25 is set to take place in a couple days. It looks like it will go live at 14:00 GMT. This is the second hard fork since Hive was created in March of 2020.


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A lot was written about what this will do. One feature that appears to be overlooked is the addition of recurring payments. This is something that is vital to the long-term success of Hive. In fact, since I do not believe any other blockchain has this programmed at the core level, providing a distinct advantage.

Subscription World

There is little doubt we live in a subscription world. As technology evolves, this is model is becoming more commonplace. Consider how many times our credit or debit card gets hit each month. There is the Netflix subscription. Of course, we have Disney for the kids. Our gym membership is on there. Perhaps we subscribe to a couple of investment guides. All of this for the very low price of X dollars.

We are seeing this concept moving offline into the real world. Tesla is about to roll out its Full Self Driving subscription. Instead of paying $10,000 or more for the software, it will be available for a monthly fee. As long as that is paid, the software is available. This is in addition to the Infotainment package they are building into their vehicles.

The key is to get people to sign up once and then have it all automated. What this does is it generates recurring revenue for the companies. Of course, online entrepreneurs are well aware of this. Their goal is to get people to give over their credit card numbers. This is not claiming that this is done with nefarious intentions, although that does happen. The main point is that it is far more profitable to keep billing people automatically as opposed to having them pay each month.

Passive payments are a lot easier to collect than active payments.

If more of our world is going to a subscription model, then it only makes sense to be able to establish recurring payments using cryptocurrency.

Unique Blockchain Feature

As stated, I do not know another blockchain that has this feature built in at its core level. If this exists, it is being done via applications or through some second layer solution.

For example, there is no way to set up recurring payments using Ethereum. There might be some smart contracts that can address this issue although that opens up another can of worms in terms of security. The basic wallet configuration of Ethereum does not provide this ability.

In a few days, that will not be the case on Hive. Going directly into the base code is the ability for any wallet to include recurring payments. This means that applications can incorporate the subscription model using either HIVE or, more importantly, HBD.

With the attention that HBD is getting, it does appear this is a terrific union. A subscription model based upon a stablecoin could really offer some potential to builders on Hive. While the peg has rarely held, the simple fact that the code states that 1 HBD can be converted for $1 of HIVE. This is often brought up in discussion about arbitrate opportunities yet it is equally applicable to payments.

If a vendor knows that he or she can get $1 worth of HIVE for each HBD received, then setting up recurring payments makes a great deal more sense. Unfortunately, to be truly effective, the peg has to work since that is what most will notice. This is something that is also being tended to in this hard fork.

Attracting Entrepreneurs

Recurring payments is a necessity in the world of cryptocurrency. This is something that has to be part of the base features.

Today, this is accomplished via some third party application. The website, as an example, will bill one's credit card or PayPal account. Recurring payments is not really a feature of fiat currency.

Obviously, cryptocurrency can seek to replicate this. There are already a few Visa cards floating around that allow for payment in crypto. We could also see applications start to integrate this into their systems. In the end, they are simply replicating what is already out there.

Adding this feature to the code base creates an entirely new set of possibilities. By incorporating the payments at the blockchain level, entrepreneurs can see the immediate value in that. Anyone who is looking at utilizing a subscription-based model will be attracted to this.

To take it one step further, it is something that can be added to any community. Presently, we have the ability to post in different communities. The front ends provide a system whereby all posts are seen as they go live. At the same time, the trending pages highlight posts based upon the rewards they receive.

What if, however, a community wanted to attract a known expert in that particular field? Here is an opportunity to set up a subscription based service. For a monthly fee, the readers could have access to this individual's posts. This allows the author to generate more income as opposed to just upvotes.

We could also establish this within the existing userbase. For example, perhaps there are a handful of authors who are very knowledgeable about the subject in the community. These people could be part of a subscription based service where they put together an "exclusive" article each week. Thus, the userbase can subscribe to this content for a monthly fee.

Business builders will see the value in a recurring payment system. Bringing this to Hive can only open up new opportunities. While we live in a world where information is abundant and free, premium content is still highly valued.

Naturally, this will take on new possibilities as people start to innovate and experiment with the feature. The great thing about open communities is that people see things that others overlook. We will likely see entrepreneurs playing with different models over time. Those that are successful will be duplicated by others.

Hopefully you can see how this feature being added to Hive could be a major addition.


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This would obviously be a huge benefit to drawing already established content creators from other platforms over to Hive. I mean, why wouldn't you come here? You could still keep your YouTube account or whatever but then you could also build a following here AND never have to worry about being censored or shut down! Seems like a complete no-brainer to me. All of your video content would be here and could never be erased.

Unless I'm missing something, that could be a huge draw. I DO have questions on how they Hive could restrict access to content posted here. I mean, if it's posted on Hive and you have a Hive account, you can see it. So, thinking out loud, these people would ultimately have to build their own front-ends, accept payment in HIVE, and then still find someone to "host". I guess that's where 3SPK comes in, right?

Does this all make sense or am I completely off base?

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No you are correct. The exclusive area would have to be driven by the front end which would be tied either to a server or the protocol that Spk is developing. Thus, if it is the former, we see the immutable not being a part of what is offered to the authors. Of course, that content could be posted at a later day, say 60 days later after the subscribers got to read it.

There are a lot of ways to do it.

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Recurring payments is really a very big feature, and one that I plan on using myself on a site that I am building.

Pegging the HBD to the USD is a big mistake, in my view.

Unless you want it to be a store of value, HBD needs to be pegged to currencies widely used in the economies world wide. So that its value can easily have a representation in real market prices for the users.

Once crypto economy develops, who says we can't peg to a crypto coin instead of fiat?

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If I understand correctly, it can be re-pegged to anything. Having it properly pegged seems like the challenge. But you can peg it to whatever.

I would love to see it become re-pegged to a basket of currencies and commodities.

Eg.

10% Dollar
10% Euro
10% Swiss Franc
10% Gold
10% Silver
10% Platinum
10% Oil
10% Corn
10% Lithium
10% Copper

It wouldn't be very difficult technically. The harder part is just getting consensus on doing it and when to start. The starting date would determine the weight of each commodity (ie. find the weight of eg. copper that = $0.10 on that date, and that represents a portion of the peg from then on)

to complex never work. It should be super simple :D

Nothing changes for usage. To the user the only change is the concept (pegged to basket of commodities instead of USD), so it's like holding a foreign but still stable currency, like holding Euro even though you live in UK.

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if it should be a mix, it's like an index and very complex to peg.

Other currency pegs could be with smart contracts made. For example with collateral ones.

Its quite simple, you can create an index and peg it to the index

The challenge, besides the technical one, is the representation of value for the user. They can't understand its current value easily. How many burgers do you get for 10 HBD?

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Why is that?

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Because of the following:

  1. First, USD (and all fiat money) is depreciating currency against Bitcoin (crypto). So, this means if HBD is pegged successfully to 1$ then HBD will be a depreciating coin, not a stablecoin. A stablecoin is the one pegged to Bitcoin, Ethereum, etc. Moreover, pegging a token like HBD to fiat money is a sign of backward thinking. This is even funny. We are crypto enthusiasts and, all of a sudden, we start to peg a token to fiat money. This is very strange.
  2. Second, yesterday, I saw a post about the HF25 saying that one of the 'reasons' behind pegging HBD to 1$ is useful for businesses. Come on! This is funny! This just means that HIVE ecosystem is not decentralized and people controlling the HIVE ecosystem live probably in the USA. That's why they pay attention to the USD while doing business. In my part of the world (Bulgaria, EU), if you ask the people what is the current rate of 1 USD they will even don't know. Because nobody uses USD. Europe has EURO. And people are not familiar with the US dollar, and nobody is going to use it here. That is why if we are going to peg HBD to fiat money, why not choose EUR? The population of Europe is bigger than in the USA. Or why don't we choose Korean Won, or Indian Rupee, etc? I am pretty sure for the HIVErs from Europe, HBD pegged to EUR will be much more understandable for doing business. For the people in Korea, a peg to Korena Won will be much more understandable.
    So, pegging HBD to 1$ is a sign of centralization. This means that people controlling the ecosystem probably live in the USA and don't understand what is going on in the other part of the world.

Considering the USD is the reserve currency and more than 70% of the global transactions are in that currency, I am not sure how that is centralized.

And I would saw that more than half the witness are outside the US.

As for Bitcoin, the problem with that is that it is deflationary. Anything that is tied to that will end up collapsing the economy.

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In my part of the world (Bulgaria, EU), if you ask the people what is the current rate of 1 USD they will even don't know. Because nobody uses USD. Europe has EURO.

That's the issue?

That has nothing to do with pegging. It has to do with 'presentation'. HBD can be pegged to USD but presented on the front ends in whatever currency the user prefers (out of a list).

I have a suggestion for front-end devs then. When they have time, they can add a 'preferred currency' on their options page, and everything they express as USD on their front ends they will express in the 'preferred currency' going forward. Would that sound fine for you, if they'd implement it (because it's quite some work to do it, but it may be worth it)?

P.S. By the way, I live in the EU too, and I know both. It's a matter of habit.

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What if there where pegs for all fiats and you can choose the one you use?
Just a imput, I am not bulgarian dough hahah
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Maybe there should be more than one pegged coin, and the user can determine which one they are paid in, e.g.
hive backed Dollar
hive backed Euro
Hive Backed Yen
Hive backed pound
Hive backed BTC??

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Will HBD finally be pegged?

Let's see in the next hard fork chapter.

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Tweeting this post for more exposure. Hive is best.

In my opinion, recurring payments a move in the right direction. Subscription models, on the other hand, come with the risk of evolving into vendor lock-ins. This is something I personally disfavor.

How is one locked in. At anytime one can go into his or her wallet and stop the payments.

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This is probably one of the biggest developments in Hive's history. So exciting! Recurring payments are required to support e-commerce activities especially when it comes to providing digital services.

Moreover, you can pay weekly or monthly salaries using this. I am sure it was doable before but I hope this change would make it much easier.

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Moreover, you can pay weekly or monthly salaries using this.

I am sure that is possible too. I didnt think about that but any type of recurring payment would work.

A project could set up a developer on a monthly payment system and program it in the wallet.

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There are multiple use cases for this feature! I hope HF 25 solves the peg issue as well. Recurring HBD payments would solve many problems.

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That is pretty cool what they are planning on adding. I haven't really dug into the details of what is coming in the next hard fork. Just what people have mentioned on here. I do see a lot of potential for this. It seems that many companies are moving to the software as a service model.

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Well the details will be out in a couple days in the form of new features.

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Oh, so they haven't really released all of the info yet?

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It is all out there. Blocktrades has written a great deal about it.

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Ah, okay, sorry about that, things have been nuts lately and I don't usually understand all of the technical stuff anyway. Which is kind of unusual for me, but oh well.

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Sounds like a good idea. I don't know it this feature would be duly utilise now but for future use, sure. Might even play around with it.

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I agree this is a very useful and overlooked addition in HF25.
I read a lot of material a few days ago when I was upgrading my witness to run HF25 and I didn't notice it. So thanks for pointing it out.

Software as a Service (SAS) is all the range for the reasons you mentioned and SAS Unicorns are popping up everywhere in Israel.

There is a feeling here that if you can classify your tech startup as SAS you will immediately have investors chasing after you.

And with over $10 Billion raised by Israeli startups in the first 5 months of 2021 more than double previous record) that is not surprising.

SaaS in the US is big too. Not sure it gets you instant money from the VC but it is a model that is being embraced.

Hive will be able to take advnatage of the idea. It will be interesting to see what innovations people come up with.

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Fabulous! This creates so many opportunities!

Curious to see if HBD will finally be pegged.

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We will see if all the efforts to peg it take hold.

The bottom line is there is a built in conversion that equates to $1 worth of Hive.

However, few use that feature and if the market is all over the place, that is what people look at.

The tools in place are a help, but it will require people who engage in arbitrage to bring it to equilibrium.

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I am so glad it is being built into the protocol. Because doing a crowdfunding site would have involved way too much dealings with the SEC.

Well I am not sure how this all will sit with the SEC. Recurrent payments for fundraising purposes still do not legalize things if it is a security.

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Has nothing to do with being a security. The issues I ran into was having to get registered as a crowdfunding company for being a funding middleman basically. With the new subscription feature in the protocol, there is NOT a middleman at that point so there will not be any issues with that. SEC handles crowdfunding companies like Kickstarter and GoFundMe as well as securities.

Id love to see a crypto version of Patreon

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Well looks like they are building something into the protocol which removes the need for dealing with the feds. I was building a site called Hivefunding but because of the way things ran, I was going to have to be a middleman like Patreon which would have forced me to register my company with the SEC and have a target put on my back, so I tried to find ways around it, which I did using Hivepay, but then they announced the new changes so I just said eh, cool, and now just added the fundraising tag into the Hivelist platform so people can promote fundraisers they may be having and people can pay directly with Hive or Whatever at this point.

sounds like excellent work! I'll be looking in to these and following your work. x thankyou

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I don't know if I really like the subscription model. Right now we see Netflix, Amazon, Roku and a bunch of different services with their own unique content. The problem is do I really want to pay a small amount to watch a single series I like? I just feel like it is kind of overblown and there needs to be some change.

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Greetings the truth had not understood the recurring payments, with this explanation I am very clear, thank you very much. This is going to attract a lot of people and investors to Hive.

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This is a big step forward and will help onboarding those who are offering subscription based services. I'd say it was about time. Let's see how it's going to change the ecosystem.

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Having HBD pegged has been exciting as it seem to be atracting a lot of attention. I'll like to see how this reoccuring payment will turn out once the HF is done. It feels ground breaking already.

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The hard fork will just offer the feature. Until applications are added, I dont think we see a great deal of use cases.

It is up to the apps to implement it.

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I wasn't aware of this and this time the Hardfork seems to have more thought gone into it.

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Listening to the developer calls tells us that. This was not just something they threw together.

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Sweet feature! Might see it in gaming here on HIVE. I think it needs to be paired with a properly functioning stablecoin.

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Gaming could certainly benefit from it.

It is one of those features that as front end developers (gaming too) start playing with it, things can really expand.

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a feature like this could be deciding factor when businesses are looking at which chain to build on, that's exciting. I dont see any growth anywhere other than EVM compatible chains in the near future, the dev pool there is deep, but perhaps HIVE could be in a position to attract devs next bull run.

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it here now thier now much time left until HF25

A little less than two days.

Let's hope it goes off without a glitch.

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Really hope so

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I've been dreaming of subscriptions for the longest time.

Seems like a good idea but a bit complicated

Good one. Thanks for sharing

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HBD becoming stable and a true stable coin will be a huge gain in every way.

Even the fact of exchanging tokens that have a high value at certain times and converting them into HBD to keep your earnings without suffering high variations. To buy low or other investments in the future.

As is done with other stables.

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That being said I'm really excited for this also. Truth be told :)

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