Hive Pays Out Better Than Other Social Media

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How much of a benefit is Web 3.0 over Web 2.0 applications?

This is a question that many are starting to wonder. Is there really a lot more potential on in an ecosystem like Hive compared to the traditional social media options?

In this article we will take a look at what is taking place and examine the potential.

Before getting into it, this is a very rough outline of what is happening on Hive. We are using some basic calculations and not going in depth with the total earnings over the past year. There is a fair bit of estimating which, nevertheless, does make the point.

How Much Does Existing Social Media Pay?

We can start with getting an idea of what people earn on the existing platforms.

Here is something put together a16z, the VC firm that is investing huge money in the crypto space. They are big proponents of Web 3.0, or what they believe it should look like.

Either way, here is something they put together to exemplify the difference between the two Internet iterations. They used NFTs which, in looking at the data, they took some liberties with. Therefore, we are going to ignore that for the time being since that sector is a bit questionable (bubbly) at the moment.

This is what they came up with.

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As we can see, the average payout on the traditional sites is not terrific. On Facebook and Google, it is abysmal. Spotify at least gives people a fighting chance. However, keep in mind that many of those people are musicians trying to carve out a living off their music.

Nevertheless, this is what the numbers supposedly look like.

Keep in mind, this is average and not median.

Hive Pay Outs

For the numbers on Hive, we are simply going to use basic math. We know what the price of Hive is at the moment along with the reward pool.

Hiveblocks shows us what the reward pool is:

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We will use Coingecko to see the price of HIVE:

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With rewards of roughly $450K, on an annualized basis we see payouts of $23.5 million coming from the blockchain.

To determine the number of users, we will pull this chart:

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Just eyeballing it, we can conclude there are around 15K accounts transacting each day. Thus, we can do some simply division to get the average payout.

$23.5M/15K = $1,570 per account.

Obviously, we are taking a few liberties here ourselves. We know not all accounts that transact actually produce content. At the same time, the reward pool is broken up in a number of ways. However, it does give us an estimate of where things stand.

Putting It All Together

So this is a rough estimate of the average earnings:

Hive $1,570
Spotify $636
YouTube $2.47
Facebook $.01

Another way of looking at it is this:

Spotify 1,077 HIVE
YouTube 4.18 HIVE
Facebook .017 HIVE

This is the amount of HIVE one would need to get in one year to match the average on the other platforms. If, for example, you made more than 4.18 HIVE posting on 3Speak, then you topped the average on YouTube. Facebook can be topped simply with a payout on a comment that exceeds the dust level.

Spotify is the biggest one although that works out to about 20 HIVE per week.

Of course, there are two major points that are omitted:

  • This only focuses upon HIVE. All other token payouts are excluded. Add those in and the amount of HIVE required to match these levels is reduced.

  • The calculations are based upon the price of HIVE at the moment. If the price moves, things obviously change. Higher levels on HIVE in the future will mean even better numbers.

We are also not factoring decentralized finance 9DeFi) which is being interwoven throughout the Web 3.0 platforms being constructed.

Community Over Corporations

They key to all of these platforms is the network effect. Traditional social media corporations did an excellent job of leveraging that for trillions in value. The problem is they are companies.

With Web 3.0, we are looking at a new ownership model. Instead of corporations benefiting, the financial gain is spread, at least to some degree, to the userbase. As we can see, while Hive is much smaller, the numbers do appear to exceed what takes place on the other platforms.

It is vital to keep in mind that the network effect has not really been recognized on Hive yet. We are still looking at a very small ecosystem. These numbers will skyrocket if the transacting user base grows to, say, 250K.

So the question is where do you want to spend your precious hours? Are you willing to put forth effort to further enrich Facebook and YouTube in the hopes that you might be one of the few who makes it big.

Or do you want to swim in a much smaller pond where you can help the platform to grow, thus enhancing the value of your holdings?

That is the essence of Web 3.0.

What are your thoughts? Where do you rank on the scale in terms of your rewards versus those on the other platforms?

Let us know in the comment section below.

For those who are graphically gifted, taking the average payouts lists and making some memes (showing Hive, Spotify, YouTube, and Facebook) might be helpful to spread on Twitter.


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The baffling question while reading this though is why do folks seat on Facebook all day and night?
These folks sure do need their heads examine!

@silhouetted.grey and @presh84 newly found Hive, this might be an interesting read for them.

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Let me check it out. Thanks @joetunex

You are welcome Presh!

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It is very baffling @joetunex, I think the reason why people spent countless hours on those platforms is because, most of the time people that join those platforms are not necessarily there to better their positions financially however they are there seeking for a place to belong, a place where they are understood, a place where they are heard. For the most part, those platforms are really lively and very interactive.

I think it is a challenge to us that are part of this ecosystem to make this platform more rewarding emotionally and more fulfilling in the conversations that we engage in.

You made a good point just like Taskmaster's response to me, people are on the likes of Facebook where they are easily heard, connect with friends and family.

It does however boils down to what is more valuable to an individual, time spent of social medias for almost nothing or channeled into something productive and educative.

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Well the social aspect of Facebook, ie that is where all their friends are, is powerful.

However, for those looking at making content that is rewarded, Hive obviously outshines.

Sure these are just averages but to top what is there is fairly easy if someone will work. I believe we have most who are able to overcome what is earned on Spotify.

$600 when including in all the aspects of Hive is not difficult in a year.

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littlebee4 is and example with an estimated Hive earnings of $1400 in six months.
$600 is very much achievable on Hive in a year.

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Yes and that is just her HIVE earnings. Who knows how much she has in LEO and other tokens.

Plus she might have some HBD too.

It all adds up.

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True, she's such an inspiration around here even to those of us that have been here for years.

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That's why getting in early on something is so rewarding. At some point the value will go down per person as more competition steps in but that day is FAR away. Right now is a awesome time to get involved.

Plus much easier to stand out on something like Hive as compared to fighting the masses on the traditional sites. If one has a huge following, then those can be of great benefit. But outside of those who are in the Kardashian category, other measures need to be taken.

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#Hive gives us an excellent option to obtain profits from existing social networks, it is the best without a doubt and the best thing is that there is still a lot to improve to continue growing

Exactly and like Task mentioned this just a rough estimate without adding Hive second layer tokens. This place is going to look a lot better and bigger 5-10 years from now and not to imagine Hive at $5.

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Adding in the H-E tokens can blow this away. Even if someone makes a couple hundred dollars in LEO, that really changes things. How many people have more than 2,000 LEO.

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LEO alone outperforms these social media platforms.

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I would agree. The price is down so obviously it takes a lot more LEO to equate to what is being shown in USD terms.

However, that is not going to be forever and the people who realize that about some of these projects are going to do very well.

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Yeah I would be curious to see how LEO shakes out in this equation.

If you use MAUs calculated in the Leo.stats reports (650 last month) and then use the yearly LEO rewards pool, we’re looking at something on the order of roughly $250 per MAU at a LEO price of $0.08.

And this is at the peak of the bear market (for 2022, at least) putting LEO down to $0.08. LEO was $0.25 not too long ago pre-market tank which makes this more like $750 per user.

Time to keep our heads down and keep building that MAU userbase

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Thanks for providing this estimates Khal, this are figures practically not achievable out there on those social platforms.

We are definitely up to something great here and we've just got o keep building and get stronger.

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The upvote on this comment alone exceeds what the average person makes on Facebook based upon the numbers used in the article.

Just think about that for a moment. That is how powerful it is.

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we have to consider ourselves lucky for being pioneers in HIVE, once we reach a greater number of users, the piece of cake to distribute will be less... but when that happens the price of HIVE could be out of Earth's orbit

That is the trade off. Yes the distribution will spread out. However, it is a 80% reduction due to dilution but the coin 10x, then we are still double where we are today.

There are a lot of scenarios where things can change greatly.

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Just to put that into perspective, I'm one of those who make a living out of these rewards. I doubt many youtube content creators are in that position.

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To be honest, not many are doing it on Hive right now either. However, maybe as an overall percentage, Hive would win.

Either way, that is based upon today's numbers. What happens if HIVE does a 4x? That makes the value of people's earnings, in fiat, go up.

It is all starting to come together also.

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I see huge potential here and is why I started last year!

Very good. And what are your results?

Did you top those numbers from the time you started here?

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This is just the estimate of the first layer of hive ,you haven't add the others,I prefer hive should take alot of my time but don't think other will ,why because all other traditional social media people cash alot of fun than hive ,from the way I look at it people love fun

Seriously hive has been a blessing and to me it has also change my financial status I mist say it is better by far
Very informative topic @taskmaster4450 good one

It did the same for me. Hopefully it will do it for others.

We need 10K more people getting actively involved and realizing the potential here.

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Am so lucky to be among the 10k, friend @taskmaster4450le please how can I earning more on my content in leo please can you be my mentor and guide?

I can't believe other people haven't caught on to how great hive really is


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That's crazy numbers!!! Hive is definitely doing a great job in distributing money to a wider group of audience in a much better way than centralized platforms.

It's a great time to be alive.

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great post! I have pointed this out myself to others, but many still think Hive is "fake money". You have to show to them how they utilize it, then they get hooked ;)

Im gonna love giving this article to anyone who tells me hive doesn't pay :)

Yeah, I think they are way off on those NFT numbers. It looks like they only covered the ETH side of things. When you consider HIVE and WAX the volume is going to be much greater. Many more accounts and the per person payout will likely reduce. I think a lot of people struggle with the terms that are being used. Put it in clearer terms and more people might be willing to take the leap. I work in tech and I have heard the term Web 2.0 kicked around for almost a decade, but didn't really know what it actually meant until just recently. For the general public we may as well be using acronyms. They will be just as lost.

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I started a new channel in August dedicated to Splinterlands with my account @splinterdany. I post the same on Youtube and 3speak. I have earned more than $2K on Hive and on Youtube I am reaching 30. I have to reach 100 to get my first payment (Youtube demonetized me one month for posting the video link on Hive).

Obviously the appeal of web2 is traffic. Influencers earn more from companies that hire them, than from the platform payment. A story on Instagram can range from $500 to 10k and takes 10 minutes to make. That's why we don't see them coming to Hive. Here the opportunity is for creators who are just starting out.

It will be hard to see those big influencers from traditional networks coming to Hive. They earn a lot and as long as they don't get the consequences of censorship or account deletion, they won't mind decentralization.

For those who are graphically gifted, taking the average payouts lists and making some memes (showing Hive, Spotify, YouTube, and Facebook) might be helpful to spread on Twitter.

I was just thinking about doing that XD

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Hive would have to be divided in 2, right? Half for curators.

The statement about hive being more rewarding than any other social media is nothing but the truth.
The potential here in 5 years time will be massive compared to all other social media.
Since beginning the journey here on hive, I have been always thankful that I joined the platform.
Great post @taskmaster4450 👍

I never regret been part of this awesome blockchain because i always say that this platform is just more than a blogging platform the benefits is tremendous and likewise beneficial to all than any other social media

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Just wanted to ask.
What would be your early earnings from Hive? ;)

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I'd rather be on Hive even though it is nowhere near generating the type of income I would need to live comfortably. I'm wondering where the rest of my $1570 goes.

But, seriously, I'd rather get a token amount than walk away empty-handed.

With compounding, the token amounts get bigger and bigger. Plus, I can speed that along simply by buying more HIVE.

Interesting to see this and pretty wild when you think about how small Hive is in comparison.

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The best thing about HIVE is that you don't have to be a creator to be paid, you can be just some lurker who only curates or just a content consumer who loves to comment on content they consume and still get paid for those activities.

On traditional social media to get paid, you have to be a content creator and even then you have to have a large following to even actually make any money.

HIVE is both rewarding for the content creator and the content consumer. Big or small.

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Very interesting point, I love the way you compared them.

I'll much rather swim in a small pond and help the platform grow than hope of making it big with Web2. Besides, this companies can ban you without any valid reason while here no one can actually ban you!

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Brilliant post as this shows how lucky we all are being here so early. Only a matter of time before others see what we see.

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I've always held the opinion that the money here is completely and utterly superior to anything Web 2.0 is able to pay. This is why doing your social media stuff here is superior from a monetary point of view.

I used to be totally confused as to why I could not get my friends to join back in the early days of Steem despite the fact that they could've shot shit just like they did on other platforms while collecting a bit of change while at it. Even small sums add up over time. I still am confused as to why this isn't happening because the monetization of content creation on social media is nothing new. There are plenty of people who wouldn't mind earning a bit on their hobby.

But today I'm grateful. I'm grateful for most people having a totally different attitude to money. If someone keeps throwing coins at me for going about my day on the Internet, who am I to tell them they shouldn't? Perhaps I benefit from the brain circuits in my head that are responsible for envy not working at all. I'm incapable of that feeling. When some people see other people making much more than they think they "deserve", they can't process that and that's all they can think from then on.

I chimed in when I saw some people bash Web 3.0 on Twitter the other day. I knew the guy who had made the original tweet to be left leaning politically. A number of people took part in the discussion and most of the agreed that money was the root of many an evil. The conversation entailed a lot of blockchain bashing, too. One guy liked decentralization but he was on Mastodon and did not fancy money nor blockchain. Well, you can't please everyone.

When we grow more those numbers may go to the moon. Hive is a currency that gains value over time, and the fiat that creators obtain in Web2 it's de-evaluating day by day. We are in the right place
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We must create venues to communicate these and many more ideas with others. With time, the world will see the value of investing heavily in hive. Thank you for bringing this up, sir.

Interesting stats!

I did this one a year ago for my one year anniversary... Pretty much always always relevant around here

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Whoa! This is amazing. I wish people on FB would see what they are missing on.

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web3 ís the next big thing. You'll care not because it'll make you rich, but because it can propel humanity forward and makes us all richer in the process. Hive is the real idea and template of what the the Web 3.0 iteration of the internet looks like or portrays. I’ll prefer to be in a small pond like Hive by which I can add value to my available holdings !

Wow! This is a new way of looking at things. Thank you for this article! ✨

I think Hive is hands down one of the most rewarding platofmrs. I do think the returns per person will drop as more people get onboarded. After all, most of the returns we get are from the inflation of Hive.

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I am earning twice the average on Hive. Though it is far better than the other social media outlets, it is not sufficient to make a living even in Turkey. What motivates me is the chance to educate myself on crypto. And I hear early about many investment opportunities. Investment returns combined with author rewards, I get a decent total income.

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Mind blown!!!! Go Hive!!!

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Damn, you did a great job with the breakdown. I often wonder why haven't more people joined HIVE? Crypto in general is a disintermediating technology. And no matter how you slice it, removing intermediaries, all things being equal, provides more value to all participants involved in the transaction.