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RE: Hive And A Post Labor World

in LeoFinance8 months ago

After all, humans want to work, whatever that might be, they cannot do nothing.

I disagree. Humans want to be active, however you define that, in a certain way, but the idea they want to work is not something I agree with.

As for the post labor society, it is not close. The potentiality is there but the reality is much further along.

To start with what you wrong, keep in mind that money is designed to facilitate trade. That is the purpose it ideally servers. So the idea of a world without money is not going to happen.

And if labor is no longer human but machine, who is to say there is not compensation for it? Why wouldnt there be? Isnt that what cryptocurrency and blockchain can provide?

The difference is a lot of this will not be structured as a corporation but with DAO. That is likely to start expanding in utility as people experiment.

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Humans want to be active, however you define that, in a certain way, but the idea they want to work is not something I agree with.

By the term "work", I really meant that people want to do something. Precisely because they cannot do nothing. They want to see meaning in what they are working on. If I said that people want to have "jobs", I agree with you. I am making a distinction here.

As I said before, I also do not see the scenario of a world without money. However, if work done primarily by humans is done by machines in the future, and yet nations will not forgo taxes and social security payments to distribute them, where will these revenues come from? From what forms of activity will people pay such levies, if not through a central national currency? In this context, what is better about cryptocurrency if it were also used for the same purpose? After all, you can't expect road construction, energy supply, supermarkets to be paid for in different crypto tokens whose stability changes in a short time, making planning difficult if not impossible?

If Berlin accepted the X token but not the Y token, Berlin would not be able to do business with Hamburg unless they accepted the same currency. The machines that run a power plant in Munich cost money and the operators want to see this money when they make financial investments to supply the region with energy, for example.

Even if cryptocurrency replaced fiat, don't you think it would also be centralised? If oil is extracted from the ground to run petrol stations or electricity is generated for electric vehicles, in what way does who compensate for the costs incurred?

It seems to me that cryptocurrency trading tends to be limited to less essential services and professions, but where it comes to food and energy, travel and construction, the sovereignty of decision-making lies either with the state or with the big corporations that call the shots.

The difference is a lot of this will not be structured as a corporation but with DAO.

I have no idea what DAO is and what you mean by that. Please, explain.

DAO = Decentralized Autonomous Organization

It is a crucial component to this entire discussion.

It is a crucial component to this entire discussion.

what makes it crucial? How does it refer to the questions I asked?

It alters the entire focus of the conversation.

You propose a centralized world which I disagree with. The future is moving in the other direction.

The challenge is that is one thing corporation and physical governments are going to be the structures of the future, then what happens if there is something completely different.

Another issue is that when you deal with networks, it again takes the conversation to another level. What happens when most people are finding autonomous agents that are housed in DAOs which are interconnected as being the basis for most of their activity.

But if you have no idea what the DAO is, then I can see why your point of view.

If we look at the last 40 years and see how the world changed due to the semiconductor, we can start the process of forecasting what the next few decades will look like.

This is where AI and robotics seem to be at point of massive acceleration. It was always happening but not at a noticeable level.

You propose a centralized world which I disagree with.

No, I did not propose it, and in fact, I detest it. I am over fifty and I observed what is also called "more centralization" instead of less. Our Currency, the Deutsch Mark was converted into the Euro, for example. On top of national governance we got the European Parlament. Small businesses vanish in favor of big businesses, one can go on and on with those kinds of examples. I wouldn't know how to counteract these developments, though I thought a lot about it.
DAO is a concept which still has to prove what you ascribe to it. We will see where it goes.