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RE: The Great AI Debate and Hive Watchers

Fraud is drawn to money, like moths to flame. Is Hive a wallet, or a society? There are mechanisms, such as HBD savings accounts, that are immune to AI and enable financial interests to be met on the platform. Curation rewards aren't such a mechanism.

I have long advocated the Hive community promote rewards more valuable than money. Since spam, scams, plagiarism, and now AI bot-posting, are all only after money, were Hive to not provide vectors for fraud, but segregate it's financial aspects in modules inaccessible through those vectors, the problems would no longer arise. Since those problems would be eliminated, all the censorship undertaken to keep them to a dull roar would be obsolete, and Hive would meet it's goal of censorship resistance far more robustly.

Censorship will continue to increase, becoming more harmful as it does, and censorship resistance will become more valuable. Safety signals have been unable to be communicated as emergent hazards have killed millions of people, and many people have died without even knowing what killed them as a result. Deception is killing people today in Ohio, as the USG lies about the safety of the air, water, and food. Deception is killing people today in the Ukraine, and across Europe, and around the world, as force is projected by malevolent states that pathologically lie about every aspect of why they're killing people, cutting supply lines, and destroying infrastructure. That trend is not reversing. It's increasing. Free speech is only going to become more valuable as time goes on.

Rewards far more valuable than money can encourage content creation and curation, but few of us give these much thought, taking them for granted or so neglecting them we suffer life threatening depression without understanding why - because we are indoctrinated from birth to believe lies.

The financially obsessed will disregard and dismiss these facts, intent on continuing their extractive practices that have to date successfully prevented Hive from being able to increase it's user base to even remotely reflect it's potential utility to society, preventing that utility from being realized through substituting pecuniary interest for substantive values necessary to our felicity - and our survival.

Going forward the ongoing paradigm shift to decentralization will increasingly deprecate centralization of every resource, and this will include hoards of money. Hive can surf that wave and benefit from the oncoming future, trending with it, or it can be held back by the ball and chain of stake wrapped around our feet of clay. Being at the forefront of technological progress enables our community to benefit from AI, and eliminates parasitic losses and degradation inflicted on society by substituting financial interest for more valuable rewards. Or, we can increasingly expend resources in a futile effort to retard the advance of technology that will continually decrease the value of Hive to it's users until it eventually completely fails and drags the community down with it.

The past predicts the future, and I am bulk ordering popcorn in order to better enjoy the show that will certainly play as we repeat the mistakes that have serially been made as Hive has suffered terrible retardation from automating social interactions and substituting money for more valuable rewards. Bidbots revealed the derangement of substituting financial interest for more relevant human values in rewarding content. Hive has not recovered momentum after that catastrophe, and neither have we eliminated the basal cause of the problem. We only managed to defang the worst of the predators. The takeover of Steem could not have more blatantly revealed the vulnerability of financialization, yet Hive is essentially just as vulnerable today as Steem was then. We just forked off the Founder's Stake, as if Sun Yuchen was the problem instead of a symptom.

I suspect AI will quickly prove your thesis that preventing AI content is impossible, and replacing people with AI interacting on Hive will eliminate the value of the platform to it's users.

This will be worse than bidbots, and we barely survived that.

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Well once again I have an unpopular opinion that the problem with the bidbots wasn't that they existed, but the greed of the owners in a lack of setting any standards and limits in what they paid out for what posts. The thing about the bidbots is they were a real supply and demand solution, many had more HP than they needed and others wanted to purchase promotion, many social media products thrive on this model. But the bidbot owners refused to set any standards and thus were rightly killed. (It's the story of the Golden Goose)

I think some will use AI with or without rules, some will be falsely accused and others will get away with it. Just as with any other ambiguous sins on hive.

In my opinion one could never build an audience like Taraz, edicted, or taskmaster using AI, thus the problem is only as big as your fear makes it.

Well, I am confident that greed hasn't gone away. Several of the bidbot owners have joined the oligarchy of Hive, and I think that was the price of the bidbots going down.

That can't happen with AI. AI displaces people in content creation, and Hive as a community cannot coexist with AI usurping our sovereignty, taking over society.

What we have done to quell excessive automation and financialization on Hive so far has been reactive. We have used downvotes to demonetize fraud. I don't think that can work against AI, because we won't know where to fly those flags.

What we can do is eliminate opportunities for financialization and tailor rewards for human people that fraud isn't interested in.

We'll see.

Agree, we will see, it's still an interesting experiment. :)

good comment
you should make a post out of it
it would be worth 80$+ like the post here

Posts aren't worth rewards because they are perspicacious observations of the human condition, but because the network of stakeholders decides to reward them. I don't post for tokens, just as I don't bend nails IRL for money. I undertake both to benefit my community, and endeavor to attain rewards besides money I find more valuable. On Hive, the reward most dear to me is criticism, because only that enables me to understand I am wrong so that I can change my mind and better understand reality.

I am confident my comment here has attained my purpose as well or better than a post on my own blog, because my purpose isn't to acquire tokens, but to avail understanding and communicate safety signals that people can benefit from. Plenty of people have criticised my comments here, which is beneficial to me. You reveal that people also agree with my comments here, which is why I am on Hive, to enable better understanding.

TBQH, I don't know how to configure some mechanisms potential of rewarding free speech or human affection on Hive that outweigh the burdensome financial interest we have. I hope I can make a convincing case such values are more compelling, and inspire better minds than mine to tackle the challenge. This is largely why I don't post on Blurt, because Blurt just uses financial incentives, minus the downvotes, rather than providing more valuable rewards than money.

Hope springs eternal!

I very much appreciate your encouragement. It is very competitive with criticism on my balance sheet, because if all I heard was criticism I would soon despair, and encouragement from good people grants me the will to continue speaking such truths as I discover and believe useful.

Thank you.

Your motives are noble and yet you also need some money/reward for your work/performance/contribution to survive/ live on.

That's why I am also an advocate of the (free) market, this is an anthopological consequence of human action, the basis of survival and also of culture - I am also of the opinion that market should be more affiliated with culture instead of politics and economics....

How free the market is, determines merely how freely the people may thank and reward each other - and to what extent the mafia would like to direct the energy flows.

Economics (real not the bs) like austrian school and especially praxeology (teaching about human action) and the resulting game theory could be very interesting to you :) !

dont be too hard with yourself