well you don't really own anything. maybe your organs, but that is also arguable. You own your money in the bank? ask thousands of people that invested in Dafina. you own your cash, ask people in Venezuela. IRS could have a glitch and you own them double (i am just trying to sort those out). you own land, ask those how gave money just to find out that they bought something that they could not buy. PWO, 51% attack...
most users on steem and hive ended up with 2 coins and kinda doubled the stake. if hive was not up and running it would be when steem witnesses tried to take coins from accounts.
is this the perfect system? No. is it less secure then (for example) BTC, for sure. is that the cost for free and fast transactions? from my understanding, yes. Will more people use it? I have no idea.
I know people that were buying a lot of shit in the late nineties and beginning of two thousands with credit cards that were not theirs, but people still use cards to buy shit on the internets.
I don't disagree with you, on all the ownership thing's that you said.
I agree in fact.
I was pointing out the false sell of 'ownership' of hive tokens.
A false sell of a product is deception, so possibly illegal (if you know this information, as most hive cultists certainly do).
Hive is not some new Utopian paradigm. Selling it as such doesn't do hive any favors, long term.
After the steem/hive debacle, it can easily be seen for what it is.
Better to sell the product 'as is', than pretending it's something else.
Selling hive as 'ownership' is disingenuous at best,(like saying you own your house as long as mortgage payments are kept up).
Now - in retrospect - and looking at the steem/hive debacle , it's there for all the world to see.
And people do see things.
Having hive stalwarts pumping out the propaganda day after day, month after month, makes it look like more like a 'desperate to sell, say anything', kind of product.
Imo.
yes in some kind of weird circumstances you could end up with no coins in your wallet. do i think it will happen, i kinda doubt that 17 people will come to agreement to just transfer your coins with no repercussion.
the part that you own your account, and that it can't be censored is true, especially the censored part. biggest example is "or you just want to fuck him". He owns steem and if you want to look, it is still there on the blockchain (and i am sure he would erase it if he could)
i kinda doubt that 17 people will come to agreement to just transfer your coins with no repercussion.
It' already been done.(steem/hive)
I'm not saying that it will happen, I'm saying it can happen.
The fact that it can happen proves my point.
Everyone is still, fundamentally, at the whims of 17 anonymous people.
How many are 'incorruptible'?
No one knows.
But you do know that corruption - and therefor the possibility- exists.