If you think hive is ownership of anything, you're deluding yourself.

in FreeSpeech5 years ago

I was reading a post earlier, written by one of the 'inner circle up voting cliques', jerking themselves off on their own brilliance.
Nothing more than non thinking sycophants, and - to be honest - I was gonna let it slide.

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Then I changed my mind.

While extolling the virtues of ownership of hive, a teensy weensy point was conveniently bypassed.

When I say , 'teensy wensy', you may infer some degree of sarcasm....and you would be correct in that assessment...

How can anyone can argue that ownership of hive tokens (powered up or otherwise) is ownership of anything?

It is a perception of reality, that is either woefully lacking in brain cells, or is as gullible as a fuck.

After the recent steem/hive debacle- and lets not forget - watched closely by the crypto world,(if no one else), one glaring reality came to the fore.

It is a reality that no one wants to talk about.

So I will.
(It's all part of my 'how to win friends and influence people' campaign. lol).
A truth bomb that the whole world now see's...

You can pretend that it's not the reality as much as you like, it doesn't change anything.
(All that goes to show is the intellectual weakness of those peddling untruths. And even the potential criminal intent, lets not forget that little gem).

Ok, Ok, I'm coming to it...

THE REALITY IS...

YOUR STAKE IS AT THE WHIM OF 17 PEOPLE - WHO ARE MOSTLY ANONYMOUS.

You cannot argue this truth. (after the recent steem/hive story, it would be idiotic to even try).
Recent history tells us it has happened.

If you cannot argue against this truth, then what exactly are you arguing for, when promoting your ownership of hive tokens?
It's either down to a lie, (or incredibly low critical thinking skills), or it's attempting a manipulating of people's perception to build a false reality.

It sound a lot like promoting a narrative- and not the truth- to me.

Which then begs the real question
Why?

Profits? Maybe.
Ideology? Maybe
Low IQ? Maybe.

But here's the thing - it doesn't matter about what your motivations are -
not if the foundations of your argument is not built on solid ground.

Is this really the message we want to send out to the rest of the world?

Lying? Manipulation? Trickery?
(or even the stupidity of big players and so called 'influencers' - Ones that actually get support for this false construct of 'ownership').

I think not, personally.

The world outside of hive see's the truth for what it is, and all the propaganda in the world will not change it.
How is the MSM perceived nowadays?
Do you think that low IQ sycophancy that's supported by the community, is gonna end up any differently?

This is a very shortsighted strategy.

It will make Hive a laughing stock due to the lack of the integrity, and honesty.

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It will not make the platform more attractive - to anyone.

You know the old saying 'which comes first, the chicken or the egg?'

Well, right now, Hive is trying to fly with a truth bomb weighing it down.

One that will not disappear with sycophantic optimism.
One that will only get heavier over time.
One that will forever prevent hive from flying (in my opinion).

The current DPOS witness setup is not fit for purpose for a growing platform.

The only people that can change the model are the big players/witnesses themselves.
Yeah, right...
Necessitating this change would also mean the giving up of 'influence and power' on the platform.

Anyone seeing the conundrum yet?
People do not relinquish their power.

DPOS (steem or hive), will never reach it's potential, because of the structure in place.
One that TPTB have no incentive to ever change.
(even after 4 years of fuck all user growth, and a consistent drop in price of the token).

Rant over, it's on the block chain.
(and it will be used to take the piss out of people for months and years to come as it starts to dawn on people.... I'm good like that).

4,000 users, and 17 people capable of playing god over their stake/future....

Decentralized?

Ok, OK, now the rant really is over.

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(I've a top notch BLM recruitment video to attend to...coming up soon!...)

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Ownership is an illusion. The only way you can own something is with military force. And that is only true as long as there isn't a stronger military force waiting to take it from you.

You own yourself.
You don't need military force for that.
(property rights flows from that).

I agree though, that at the most basic level, 'might is right'.
Hierarchies are a very real thing.

I mean even under the 13th amendment you're a slave if you go to jail.

Triforce Slavery

Debt/Tax/Wage slavery are real and unspoken.
The modern chains of slavery are invisible and exist on a spectrum.

Debt is a choice.
Tax is socialism in action, ( theft).

I think conflating 'wage slavery' with 'having to do stuff to live' (just like every other living organism on the planet) is simplistic, and more of an 'ideologically driven perspective', than a 'reality' one.

Yes, we all have to do stuff to live. That is, quite literally, life.

(unless you're a commie - then you can just steal other peoples labor...aaaaaaand we're back to the thinnest end of the socialist wedge - taxation on earnings).

When I say wage-slavery I mean time-slavery. Trading your time for money, and then someone else siphons value off the top and puts it into their own pocket. Sucking time away like vampires.

Debt slavery is not a choice.

Everyone is forced to use fiat.
Fiat is debt.

"this note is legal tender for all debts, public and private"

Just because you don't technically owe money to someone else doesn't mean you aren't a debt-slave. Anyone who holds or uses fiat is a debt slave, because the value can be siphoned off by the central bank by simply printing more money.

There's a reason why usury is fully illegal in some countries/religions.
It allows you to put your identity up for collateral to get a loan.
Just because it's a choice to become a usurious debt slave doesn't make it okay.
They have ways of statistically tricking a known percentage of the population into doing these things.

Yup, I agree with the philosophical point (and fiat money reality).

Central banking and unsound money are results of socialist policy.

well you don't really own anything. maybe your organs, but that is also arguable. You own your money in the bank? ask thousands of people that invested in Dafina. you own your cash, ask people in Venezuela. IRS could have a glitch and you own them double (i am just trying to sort those out). you own land, ask those how gave money just to find out that they bought something that they could not buy. PWO, 51% attack...

most users on steem and hive ended up with 2 coins and kinda doubled the stake. if hive was not up and running it would be when steem witnesses tried to take coins from accounts.

is this the perfect system? No. is it less secure then (for example) BTC, for sure. is that the cost for free and fast transactions? from my understanding, yes. Will more people use it? I have no idea.
I know people that were buying a lot of shit in the late nineties and beginning of two thousands with credit cards that were not theirs, but people still use cards to buy shit on the internets.

I don't disagree with you, on all the ownership thing's that you said.
I agree in fact.

I was pointing out the false sell of 'ownership' of hive tokens.

A false sell of a product is deception, so possibly illegal (if you know this information, as most hive cultists certainly do).

Hive is not some new Utopian paradigm. Selling it as such doesn't do hive any favors, long term.
After the steem/hive debacle, it can easily be seen for what it is.

Better to sell the product 'as is', than pretending it's something else.

Selling hive as 'ownership' is disingenuous at best,(like saying you own your house as long as mortgage payments are kept up).
Now - in retrospect - and looking at the steem/hive debacle , it's there for all the world to see.

And people do see things.

Having hive stalwarts pumping out the propaganda day after day, month after month, makes it look like more like a 'desperate to sell, say anything', kind of product.

Imo.

yes in some kind of weird circumstances you could end up with no coins in your wallet. do i think it will happen, i kinda doubt that 17 people will come to agreement to just transfer your coins with no repercussion.

the part that you own your account, and that it can't be censored is true, especially the censored part. biggest example is "or you just want to fuck him". He owns steem and if you want to look, it is still there on the blockchain (and i am sure he would erase it if he could)

i kinda doubt that 17 people will come to agreement to just transfer your coins with no repercussion.

It' already been done.(steem/hive)
I'm not saying that it will happen, I'm saying it can happen.

The fact that it can happen proves my point.
Everyone is still, fundamentally, at the whims of 17 anonymous people.

How many are 'incorruptible'?
No one knows.
But you do know that corruption - and therefor the possibility- exists.

...and back to that diversification again. Anyone who puts all their eggs in a hive flavoured basket will likely not be eating omelette for dinner!

It seems to me that systems which put the power in the hands of a small group of humans are ultimately doomed.

...and when people with their first taste of 'power'(and more so if they are emotionally immature), are asked to give it up? lol.

...Does not bode well.

The bunker ..... use this please .... just ones .. :-)

I bet it takes less than 17 people to seize your bank account...

Sorry to bother you here, but i cannot parse this:
https://steemit.com/hive-148441/@jrcornel/steem-write-up-in-cointelegraph

which is a copy-pasta of
https://cointelegraph.com/news/former-steem-witness-i-received-direct-threats-from-a-hive-user

And, its like everything the "reporter" at cointelegraph says is backwards.
I feel i should know the people they are talking about, but can't really figure it out.

It starts off with Hive user threatened Steem witness ... that is no longer a witness... (before Hive was a thing)

Would you look into it, maybe write about it?

when i get nervous my testicles detach