Ever since I joined Steem I have been trying to persuade people they should join up, with limited success. Some of those who did join did not stick around long and some never posted.
Some of the reasons I have seen for not using it are:
- Difficulty of converting crypto to fiat.
- Complicated to use, but with things like Keychain it has got easier.
- Some politically 'dodgy' people here and getting good rewards.
- A few big accounts get most of the rewards and little guys struggle.
There is validity in these, but they could be improved on. One of the issues is that we need more people to get a better variety of content and spread of rewards, but then we need those to attract the masses. Catch 22?
I would love to see more musicians on here, but they go where their audience is (Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, Facebook). It takes time to manage each social account and the earnings may not justify that. We need the pioneers who will give it a chance. If a few start doing well and bring their fans over then we have something. One mid-level band could easily double the active users if their fans came over. Could we create enough accounts for them?
We have to face that the platform has technical and image issues. We need to find ways to improve on those. We do have something amazing, but we have seen how hard it is to gain users over the last few years. What can we learn from that?
For sure and that wider audience has to hold some level of stake to distribute. Imagine the equivalent of 100 whales, 1000 orcas and 10,000 dolphins, 100,000 minnows who spend their time mostly in 1-3 topics. While at these prices that might not spread much value to each, at 5 or ten dollars, it makes Reddit look ridiculous :)
Getting there is the challenge when so many people have a short term view. This is building a different economy with people who are largely not economists or business people and people expect it to be like Keynes working with Henry Ford.
Very easily indeed. A beautiful music/something app built on Hive that integrates into other platforms might work wonders.
Technical once the person tries to sign up, many never get that far. Same for the image, but before sign up, it is more assumption based on past experience, experience that never had Hive.
Lots of issues to work through. Hope you are well mate :)
@steevc @tarazkp
Have been reading the discussion here and as a (no influence) musician, for me, PeakD/Hive has pretty much replaced my Facebook artist page because I wasn't getting really any interaction on there and they kept wanting me to pay to "boost" my posts so that it would be seen by my followers... that's right, people who had already liked my page, I'd have to pay for my post to reach them...
This is one of the reasons I started looking elsewhere but even to get musicians over, as I mentioned to Steeve, those bullet points mentioned are reasons why they won't get involved, add to that, those that are aware of cryptocurrencies, they have been involved with previous crypto projects that basically failed and it's left a sour taste in their mouths. "Once bitten twice shy" were words they used.
Now, if Hive, (maybe dsound but they go quiet for 8 months at a time without any updates) can create a mobile app catered for music fans, ease of use with USPs like download music from the mobile app to their phone with sending Hive to the musician in a seamless way - AND IT ACTUALLY WORKS - that could definitely be more appetising!
Right now, the option with Hive/PeakD is to embed music players from other sites like YouTube, Spotify and Soundcloud but if your followers are on those sites, then getting them to move across to a site they haven't heard of with all these complexities of sign-up is a big barrier.
Regarding all the other comments folks have made - I believe that there are different layers to consider with Hive. For me:
Hive itself is the blockchain/code level and token and should be advertised as a place for the developers and software whizzes to build dapps on as the base layer.
Then the second layer is the actual dapps themselves built for specific end users in mind. For example, PeakD is a bit more focused on bloggers, Splinterlands for card games, travelfeed for travel content etc... and these guys market themselves and build the interfaces accordingly to the target audience with everything running under the hood - there needs to be familiarity with sign-up processes.
Ok, think I've gone on long enough now :)
You might want to give your great suggestions to the @openorchard team. They are all old Steemit Inc. Devs, with two of them having actually coded things with @dan. HIVE is the AOL of DPoS in my opinion.
Thanks, I'll reach out to them and see what they think about it. If they are all the main/original developers of steem/hive then there is a chance!
Not following the AOL reference?
Cool, as you appear to have some invaluable ideas.
Just as well as it was a immature cheeky jab at HIVE on my part. ✌️😎
The ideas are mostly born out of frustrations of projects not listening to their users and I try to keep myself independent to maintain a balanced PoV.
Haha, OK, I only used AOL chat about 18 years ago, didn't realise it was still a thing 😆
It's my feeling that people will say the same things about HIVE in the not so distant future.
Raped from every hole... There is no end to it.
This is for sure an issue, and remember that most people who have happened to try, came in at the hyped highs. It is only downhill for them.
I would like to see more going the other way, but that requires using their APIs I believe.
I agree with the two layers.
I see it as infrastructure and then the many platforms possible on top through applications as well as secondary tokens that power them, like SMTs.
What I do believe is that if we can start solving some of these issues from various apporaches and then collaborating to improve, things can go very well here.
Lol, when you put it so eloquently...
Yeah we all definitely came in to it all from EMA (Electronic Music Alliance) in the ATHs and projects fell apart (Choon, Musicoin) or became seemingly abandoned (dsound - 1 real update in 14 months on Hive after having their Steemit delegation removed so don't really know if it's still being developed) and the faith has kinda gone so everyone went back to Spotify and YouTube to share their music.
As for the APIs, I don't really know about that, it's a bit beyond me the tech sometimes! The way it would work currently on Soundcloud is that you can put a button at the bottom of the track with a link to get the track somewhere like an online store. With the new Hive WordPress Payment plugin now fully working, musicians on Hive with a WordPress site can now at least point fans on SoundCloud who are on Hive to their site to buy it:
Now, explaining that alone was complicated enough with all the variables in but in my head, if DSound ever starts developing or updating again or someone is up for developing a "DCloud" or "HiveSound" whatever - which can replace that button with an all-in-one Hive download feature using HIVE/HBD from that person's wallet... it could be Hive's answer to get musicians/music fans supporting artists here.
A good music app would help. Make it so you can log in with Twitter or Facebook and create a Hive account later just so people can instantly follow people. I think some dapps are doing this already. The app could create an account and import the keys, with ways to save them securely of course. Lots of possibilities if developers are up for doing it.
About the log ins, I mentioned this on a post by @justineh a month or so ago that if people can sign up with fb or Twitter etc then all the work of creating a Hive account can be done under the hood.
I think @steempress have "guest accounts" and know @travelfeed have got "Easy signup" but to link that to a Hive account name would help with the transition - I just don't know if it's possible as I'm not a coder but with the intelligent people we have that code the chain and dapps, I believe there's a way!
Really good point @nickyhavey, Hive needs to be marketed to developers, not end users.
We had several meetups last year trying to onboard travelers to TravelFeed, but when it came to creating an account that was very confusing for non-tech-savvy users and many didn't want to proceed, especially the hassle of saving a long key if they just have a phone and have never used a password manager before. And that was through our EasySign Up service that already took a lot of the difficulty out of the sign up process.
Based on this feedback we decided to move forward with a second layer solution, so now new users can register in a matter of seconds by using Google, Facebook or Email and they can use TravelFeed to its full extend. Our sign ups and especially the percentage of users who complete the sign up process have skyrocketed since then. Once users are active, we tell them, hey, why not create a free Hive account and get paid for what you are already doing? ;) Our Hive integration is fully integrated, so once a user links their Hive account, they can keep using the platform as before, but all their votes, comments and posts are broadcasted to Hive.
Btw, I tried to contact you on Discord @nickyhavey, are you no longer active there?
That's awesome with the development on the easy sign-up and glad you've managed to get more users signed up. So when you say fully integrated, have you managed to get a new account created on Hive as soon as the user has signed up with Easy SignUp? Is there a way for that all to happen under the hood without the user even having the need to create a Hive account separately with all the confusing keys?
Hmm... I still have an account but it became a bit too much with the multiple Discords! Will rejoin the TF server now
Since we don't want to store or even see any keys, we operate with something called posting authority which is granted through Hivesigner once when linking the account, the user can then keep logging in as he is used to (e.g. with Google login or Email) and we broadcast to Hive in the background. Since we don't want to store the users private keys, unfortunately there is no way around the user storing the key himself when he creates his account, but at least he doesn't need to use the key for interacting with TravelFeed.
With all the changes, we haven't moved our old Steem account creation to Hive yet, but linking to Hiveonboard is just as good and users can link a Hive account at any time, also directly after signing up. Or if they have an existing Hive account, they can sign up with that directly.
Great to have you back on the TF Discord, will send you a message in a minute
I'm good. All healthy and sage here.
You can tell I am stubborn as I stick with this blockchain stuff despite the ups and downs. I have some trolls flagging me, but that won't put me off. I still want to see a real breakthrough. I may just need some tipping point to go viral.
Expect if from @openorchard in my opinion.
They need to post some updates to get a buzz going :)
My feeling, after listening to a recent interview, is that they are in no rush and plan to come out with a blockchain with no pre-mining and fair distribution of tokens. Such a breakthrough with DPoS would be buzz enough after all the bad press of this ugly fork.
Yep, real breakthroughs need to start. it is all well and good to focus on getting price up and whatnot through exchange listings, but there needs to be more than that to hold price up.
Exactly. Has to be some real value to it. Having the various dapps come across definitely helps.
I think it would help if we could get more @Steemmonsters players posting and voting. There are lots of them who only play the game and they could be earning Hive. The game site could incorporate more social stuff.